User talk:UtherSRG

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Padshah UtherSRG 2024

You wrote "Since you can't explain in your own words, I see no reason to unblock you"

What own words? What do mean?

• What questions should I answer You just decline the unblock request.

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There was an extra space between the starting letters so I had removed it but by removing it the apostrophe got switched so I had to change it again Eiehel (talk) 13:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Also I had removed extra space around "It" Eiehel (talk) 13:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, you messed up worse than you fixed, so I'd reverted. I've now done a round of cleanup on it. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Eiehel (talk) 15:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Specifying a type species in a taxobox

You reverted by edits to Clanga (bird) and Haliaeetus with the comment "This is clearly in alignment with Template:Taxobox#Type_species".

We seem to disagree on how to interpret the rules for specifying the type species in the taxobox.

As an example I'll consider the genus Haliaeetus which Marie Jules César Savigny erected in 1809 to accomodate a single species, L'aigle de mer (Haliaeetus nisus). see here and here.

The entry for the genus in Howard and Moore 4th ed Vol 1 page 249 (link requires registration) is:

HALIAEETUS Savigny, 1809 M – Haliaeetus nisis Savigny, 1809; type by monotypy = Falco albicilla Linnaeus, 1758

This indicates the Haliaeetus nisus is now regarded as a junior synonym of Falco albicilla Linnaeus, 1758 (the white-tailed eagle)

We disagree as to whether the "type species" specified in the Taxobox should be Haliaeetus nisus Savigny, 1809 or Falco albicilla Linnaeus, 1758

In the past I would use the senior synonym - ie Falco albicilla but having been alerted to a possible problem by the page history of the Haliaeetus article, I've read the taxobox guide and the ICZN rules and think my previous interpretation was incorrect.

The relevant ICZN rules are Art. 67.1 67A, 67B

Both the taxobox guide and the ICZN give this example:

Astacus marinus Fabricius, 1775, one of the nominal species originally included in the decapod crustacean genus Homarus Weber, 1795, was subsequently designated by Fowler (1912) as the type species of Homarus. The type species is, and should be cited as, Astacus marinus Fabricius, 1775. Astacus marinus Fabricius is currently synonymized with Cancer gammarus Linnaeus, 1758, but the latter is not the type species of Homarus and should not be cited as such. If mention of the type species is required it should be made in some such manner as "Type species Astacus marinus Fabricius, 1775, a junior synonym of Cancer gammarus Linnaeus, 1758"; or "Type species Astacus marinus Fabricius, 1775, now regarded as a synonym of Homarus gammarus (Linnaeus, 1758)".

which seems to clearly indicate that Astacus marinus Fabricius, 1775 and not Cancer gammarus Linnaeus, 1758 should be considered as the type species.

The Taxobox guide contains:

| type_species           = the original name of the species that was initially used to describe the genus, without regard to its present-day nomenclature

which suggest to me that Wikipedia is following the convention used by the ICZN.

Am I missing something? Thanks - Aa77zz (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Aa77zz: Yes. You are putting lots of data into the field. The field should only be the original name of the species that was initially used to describe the genus, without regard to its present-day nomenclature. Nothing more, nothing less. What, in the guidance, do you think permits or expects something different than just a species name, linked to the current article that name is synonymized to? No explanations in the field. Explanations are for the body of the article. So, for the Haliaeetus specific, which is the name of the species that was used at the time? It can't be H. nisus as Savigny created that term, and Falco albicilla was the original name of that taxon. H. nisus isn't even listed as a synonym for H. albicilla at white-tailed eagle! - UtherSRG (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

If we are going to put more in that field, then we should return to what we'd done way back in the early days of taxoboxen. We should list the type species in this format:

Haliaeetus nisis Savigny, 1809 (= Falco albicilla Linnaeus, 1758)

This is what we originally did to show what was used. At some point, the latter portion was used. Now we want to swap to only the former portion? That's double wrong. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

unconstructive Edits

Hi Hope you don't mind me asking this here, kindly can you check the edits that Storm infantry's user are doing. He/She constantly change the content of articles like Talpur dynasty without adequately explaining why. Balash-Vologases (talk) 20:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I've blocked you both for 3 days for edit warring. Next time, please remember WP:BRD. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Law & Order: Special Victims Unit season 6

Hi UtherSRG. Would you consider full protection for this article or perhaps ECP rather than semi-protection? The disruption looks more like a content dispute over sourcing and other issues with an addition. And the editor adding that information appears to now have an autoconfirmed account. The semi-protection seems like it will only limit an unregistered editor that is appropriately removing the addition. Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 03:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Daniel Quinlan: Done! - UtherSRG (talk) 12:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Daniel Quinlan (talk) 12:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Richard E. Jones

Okay maybe, I should ask for more clarification, since "Becuase it's a different person" is not answering this for me: What justifies replacing the redirect set up for the minor planet discoverer with a soft redirect to the Wikispecies page for the myriapodologist? Is one demonstratably more notable than the other? (Though I take it both fail WP:NOTABILITY since we're creating redirects for both of them instead of writing articles about them) Should the minor planet discoverer not have a redirect at all? (To be quite honest I am not a fan of Wikispecies soft redirect links either, but that's not relevant here)

Another reason I ask is because I noticed that List of minor planet discoverers actually seems to have ~940 other redirects to anchors in the list much like the Richard E. Jones one, and I wondered if you were aware of this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

The redirect to species is to an article about the one, while the redirect for the amateur astronomer is just to a list. The myriopodologist has a chance of becoming an article, the astronomer does not. Both of those facts weigh in favor of my edit. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Alright then, that makes sense, in that case I'll not press you on this any further. Monster Iestyn (talk) 16:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)