Talk:Death of Brandon Vedas

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- - Wikipedia pages for suicides validate an attention seeking personality type to follow suit. I understand wikipedia doctrine but in this case it can literally cost lives. We dont want to facilitate a loss of even one life due to people seeking notoriety. Can we at the very least put a disclaimer or suicide hotline phone number at the top of the page please, it cannot hurt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.253.16 (talk) 22:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"mostly" prescription drugs

he died as on overdose OF prescription drugs, unless i am missing something. you cannot overdose on cannabis and psilocybin, so they were not a contributing factor to his death. therefore, it should read "...overdose of prescription drugs"

24.236.106.66 (talk) 03:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He also consumed Bacardi 151 rum, which was referenced several times. Alcohol may have contributed to his death, although the methadone alone would kill most people. In any event, the article has been edited, it says a "multi-drug overdose".146.115.179.89 (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Last words

I'd like to point out that his last coherent words were not "I told u I was hardcore," but instead they were, "u are so fucking stupid."

<ripper> I told u I was hardcore
<grphish> GO CALL RTHE UCKING
<grphish> POISON CONTROL CENTER
<grphish> ripper: we knew that already
<ripper> fuck u
<ripper> pusys
<ripper> u are so fucking stupid
<grphish> we're not the ones about to fucking die

68.203.193.250 02:43, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, those words made it to become a new meme on the net. 83.236.11.198 12:50, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually.. his last words seem to be ;

[03:05:39] [ ripper ] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~shoa
[03:05:42] [ ripper ] I'm fukcin

Here's the log (I didn't make it) The magical Spum-dandy 22:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here isn't the log anymore unfortunately. BennyFromCrossroads 20:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried to add his real last words to the article, and it was instantly reverted as being "unconstructive". How is that any less constructive than adding "I told u I was hardcore"? If anything, it is more representative of his incredibly intoxicated state before losing consciousness. 203.59.61.170 (talk) 04:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found out how to sign quotes.

I really don't. Anyway, I don't believe the part where he says his mom is a bitch in the next room playing 'hardcore crossword puzzles'.

-TIB

Transcript Edits

While I do believe honestly that the Vedases edited the transcripts, I recall seeing the originals elsewhere. I believe some sort of dupecheck type program could find the differences between files elsewhere on the net and the ones hosted on the brandonvedas website. I would love to see these. --TIB 01:11, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Well, I just downloaded and concatenated the two files (ripperlog.txt and post-ripperlog.txt) provided on the brandonvedas website and diffed them against a log stored elsewhere on the web. The only meaningful difference was the "my mom is stupid thought" line.

Link text

Should the link to klonopinz.com really describe it as a "hysterical mockery"? Lan3y - Talk 03:19, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

What happened to the link to Klonopinz.com? It should really be on this page. - 86.130.246.97 20:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bad link

tHE SITE linked to tries to install a trojan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.9.50.5 (talk • contribs) .

Thanks for catching that. --Mr. Billion 05:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Drugs

<ripper> 400mcg LSD <ripper> 2 grams mesc <ripper> 100mg 5Meo DMT <ripper> 8 grams shrooms

4:07] <ripper> 8000mg equivalent of oxy-contin
reference: http://www.brandonvedas.com/ripperlog.txt

No offence but isnt listing the drugs under his photo a tad tasteless? I mean ok, the kid killed himself, but listing it as a "score chart"... // Gargaj 20:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's horribly tasteless and unprofessional. It also clasehes with the rest of wikipedia's style. I'm changing the "drug consumption scoreboard" into an in-document list. --Mmason 22:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Changes

I just made some pretty significant changes to this article -- mostly dealing with rephrasing sentences that didn't read particularly well (no offense, but they didn't have the best grammar) and reorganizing how/when events we're described (the flow of the article also wasn't that great). In addition, I fixed a number of of errant figures about what Vedas consumed. For example, it was mentioned that he took OxyContin when in fact he was only using a hypothetical dose of OxyContin to describe the *actual* dose of methadone he had taken. Anyway, I don't think my version is definitive and I hope people continue to tweak and build on the article. I just wanted to give it a nice solid update. -- Stereoisomer 00:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notability?

This kid overdosed... and that warrants enough to make him encyclopedic? I'd think he would serve as a poster boy for a D.A.R.E. campaign but this seems borderline ludicrous to have an entire article on this kid simply because he didn't know when to say when. 4.225.22.251 12:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. But even so, I prefer he did kill himself best than he had entered a mall or college and started to shoot his colleagues, as every stupid American teen thinks he has the right to do.

Your're wrong.

Besides, how could wikipedia be the ultimate encyclopedia if it was missing this, or ANY information, hmm? 202.191.106.170 14:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the mere fact that Mr. Vedas overdosed does not warrant his inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. However, this article *is* relevant in the scope of an encylopedia because of the nature of his fatal overdose. Specifically, the fact that his death occurred while he was visually broadcasting his actions and communicating textually with his audience via the Internet. This type of incident and online deaths in general were unheard of in the 20th century and yet in the 21st century they have become a reality. Therefore, from sociological and psychological perspectives -- e.g. the impersonality of computerized communication, need for attention, peer pressure -- Vedas' death is a significant (albeit terrible and regrettable) event and it would be inappropriate to remove this article. -- Stereoisomer 20:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The nature of Mr. Vedas fatal overdose that makes it relevant is the fact that it was broadcast on the internet and the specific nature and media that were used. The particular details such as the drugs taken, are not relevant from either a sociological or psychological perspective. It would not be appropriate to remove this article, but I do not believe that this article should continue to stand by itself when there are other equally relevant cases that could be merged into an expanded article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikebutterfield (talk • contribs) 06:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, Wikipedia, being an online encyclopedia, isn't the same as something on paper or even on a CD. We can put ANYTHING here, as long as it bears some significance to anything, and it theoretically (ignoring computer speed and search engines) will not get in the way. If someone hears about some guy (ie: This guy) and thinks "who was that guy?", Wikipedia is pretty well the only encyclopedia available to answer their question.

BrandonVedas.com

This site, mentioned once in the article and once in External Links, is just a CNAME to Shroomery.org. Those should probably be deleted or found on a Google cache or something.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Krallja (talk • contribs) 03:12, 27 May 2006

Looks like the site was just down temporarily. --Mr. Billion 17:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two things

1. Where was Vedas' location? In the US, Canada, Europe, or somewhere else?

2. Why would they remove “My mother is stupid thought”, which really doesn't make much sense in the first place. --FlareNUKE 05:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He resided in Arizona, US. Catfacemcgee 19:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)catfacemcgee[reply]

By “My mother is stupid thought” he may have meant, “My mother is stupid though.”. Considering his family runs the site that hosts that log, they may want to show themselves in a favourable light. It is strange, and I'm just speculating. --Burbster 21:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is extremely stupid, as the handful of IRC users in that channel would have logged the full chat and presumably post it after the story broke. It just makes the Vedas' look bad that they censored part of the chat logs on their memorial site. Hbdragon88 09:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OT but

We list a number of cases including this one with similar aspects. I'm pretty sure there have been cases when people have seriously said they wanted to commit suicide on the internet and people have taken them seriously enough to call the police who got there in time to save the person. While such stories don't tend to gain as much media attention, I'm pretty sure I've read about at least one which has receive attention probably enought to establish notability IMHO (this was possibly on 4chan or some other forum). We probably should have articles of these for balance Nil Einne 19:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A case [1] of a suicide over the internet where people did try to stop the person (but failed). There was an article once that got deleted due to notability concerns. Can't say for sure that it does meet notability but thought I'd bring it to the attention of editors Nil Einne 19:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its not stupid at all. It's a personal website, a family website in memory of this kid. He was high out of his mind when writing that. His mother knows he loved her, she knows he didnt mean it and he probably would want those words to be there. Jesus, use your mind. Where is the empathy in this world.

Timing

Article says he was found in afternoon of January 12 but makes no mention of when he died. Same day? Early morning? Early afternoon? Shinhan 07:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His last coherent words on the IRC transcript were at 05:04 on January 12th. According to the New York Daily News article his computer entered standby shortly afterwards, and so presumably no-one knows exactly when he died, because no-one was there to see it happen. The article dates his last words to January 12th, and says that he was found at 1pm "the next day" (which implies that his body lay there for a whole day, and seems odd given that his mother was apparently in the house with him); Wikipedia says (without a source) that his body was also discovered on January 12th, but the obituary also says he died on January 12th, so I assume the NYDN article really meant to read "later the same day". -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 23:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In fact the Sunday Telegraph article says that his mother tried to open his bedroom door at 09:00, and that "by dawn on January 12 Brandon was dead on his bed", which sounds plausible, although I suspect the journalist just made it up. Surprisingly the detail in the chat logs about having a girlfriend seems to have been true, or at least wasn't a complete fabrication. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unknown Telford suicide

The link goes to an article about a man, name unreleased, who committed suicide in Telford on 23 March 2007. Well, being as Telford is where Kevin Whitrick lived, and that he died on that same day, and committed suicide on webcam...I'm going to go the distance and say that "unknown man" is Kevin Whitrick. The ages don't correspond, but all the other details do. Therefore, I'm removing the link to the "unknown" suicide. 72.185.43.62 (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion is confusing

It says the deletion discussion was "no consensus" but when you click on the link it says the consensus was "keep." What gives? 69.253.207.9 (talk) 20:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The box was entered wrong; it was pointing to an earlier AfD. I've fixed it.—Chowbok ☠ 21:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved per actual topic of the article. --rgpk (comment) 17:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Vedas → Death of Brandon Vedas — Following the general rule that articles should describe their actual topic, and corresponding to the accordingly plausible naming of articles like Death of Ian Tomlinson or Death of Jean Charles de Menezes, which are also about the death of those persons and not in fact about the, apart from the circumstances of their death, non-notable persons themselves, this article should be moved to Death of Brandon Vedas. --87.79.114.210 (talk) 02:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep current title. Simpler. --Pmsyyz (talk) 04:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a valid rationale. The current title is simply incorrect: The article is not about (otherwise completely non-notable!) Brandon Vedas but only about the (notable) circumstances of his death. Death of Brandon Vedas is the simplest accurate title. --87.79.114.210 (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I find the logic convincing. Besides, "Brandon Vedas" will redirect, so it doesn't really matter that the new title is longer.—Chowbok ☠ 07:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article is almost solely about his death as it is, and as the nominator mentions, the person himself is non-notable. --fuzzy510 (talk) 08:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per scope of article; suggest the same be done with Kevin Whitrick (or perhaps even better, merge these articles and any others like them into a single article about the phenomenon - not being a newspaper, we don't need a separate article about every event).--Kotniski (talk) 09:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Modification of Page to cover all Historically Relevant Internet Suicides

The Death of Brandon Vedas article has incorporated a list of major cases of suicide that were broadcast on various internet chat, video/webcam, and blog outlets. This article, while interesting, is neither the first nor the most relevant such article. The notability should no longer be the question. Rather, the question should be how to revamp the page to include the relevant facts related to the cases of Mr. Vedas, Mr. Biggs, Mr Whitrick, Mr McKinstry, Mr. Bucci, and anyone else who's suicide was broadcast on one or more internet media. This page reads like a news article and, although some references are provided, fails to limit itself to the facts. The article needs to be culled and renamed to have a title such as "Internet Suicide Cases" and a link provided from the article on Internet Suicides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikebutterfield (talk • contribs) 06:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrongly mashed

Either write numerous articles for the relevant 'similar cases' or make another mashup article - perhaps Online suicides. You can't redirect one person to another like now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.21.148 (talk) 03:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"I told you I was hardcore" not the last thing typed.

Hello all, current shroomery member here. Just came across a post discussing Brandon on the shroomery as of 1/3/2013 and figured I'd take a look at this wikipedia page.

I was disappointed to see that "I told you I was hardcore", a quote that has become quite famous, was presented as being "the last thing" he said. That is inaccurate according to the IRC logs stored at http://egomania.nu/princessnatalie.com/5.html

As such I've edited part of the main page to reflect a more accurate statement, revising " "I told u I was hardcore" was the last thing Vedas typed..." to " "I told u I was hardcore" was one of the last things Vedas typed..." in an effort to preserve as much as possible of the previous content while, again, revising the statements made to accurately reflect the data we have available to us. According to the IRC longs on that site, the last comment Brandon made was - [ 03:05:42 ] [ ripper ] I'm fukcin [sic]

I'm going to add this citation to the front page immediately now that I've justified my reason for the change to this page.

Thanks so much to those who took the time to chronicle this young man's last moments here, and to provide us with an account of what can happen when hard drugs (including alcohol), primarily prescription drugs or other drugs with absurdly low LD-50s are abused. That said, just as is important is the lesson learned when an internet community, disassociated from the realities of what's happening, or perhaps apathetic to such realities (usually some of both but more of the former in my experience), contributes indirectly to this kind of event by treating the use of hard drugs as toys that don't have very real consequences instead of valuable tools to aid us in our time here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.136.135 (talk) 21:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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