Talk:John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan

Reference needed:

A death certificate was issued in 2016.

By whom?

Darcourse (talk) 11:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Can't you go and find it? Cassianto^Talk 11:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Here's one, but I don't know how to add references! And I didn't add the original entry, so I don't know if this was the actual source used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35481376

Darcourse (talk) 08:12, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

You've been here since 2012 and you don't know how to add a reference? Cassianto^Talk 12:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Cluedo cards

There are sources that mention Cluedo cards being found in his car whereas this article makes no mention of them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-lucan-cluedo-cards-murder-b2218213.html Nbrader (talk) 11:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Ancestry

The ancestry may not be relevant to the article itself, but it may be of interest to genealogists. That's why I'm posting it here on the discussion page.

Family of John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan

16. George Bingham, 3rd Earl of Lucan 8. George Bingham, 4th Earl of Lucan 17. Lady Anne Brudenell 4. George Bingham, 5th Earl of Lucan 18. Charles Gordon-Lennox, 5th Duke of Richmond 9. Lady Cecilia Gordon-Lennox 19. Lady Caroline Paget 2. George Bingham, 6th Earl of Lucan 20. Henry Clay 10. Joseph Spender Clay 21. Elizabeth Leigh 5. Violet Sylvia Blanche Spender Clay 22. Rev. James Perkins Garrett 11. Elizabeth Sydney Garrett 23. Caroline Anne Elisabeth Moore 1. John Bingham, 7th Earl of Lucan 24. Richard Thomas Dawson, 2nd Baron Cremorne 12. Richard Dawson, 1st Earl of Dartrey 25. Anne Elizabeth Emily Whaley 6. The Hon. Edward Stanley Dawson 26. Edward Stanley 13. Augusta Stanley 27. Lady Mary Maitland 3. Kaitlin Elizabeth Anne Dawson 28. Richard Meade, 3rd Earl of Clanwilliam 14. Richard Meade, 4th Earl of Clanwilliam 29. Lady Elizabeth Herbert 7. Lady Elizabeth Selina Georgiana Meade 30. Sir Arthur Kennedy 15. Elizabeth Kennedy 31. Georgina MacCartney

19XAVO90 (talk) 21:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Laura Thompson's article

In a recent article, Laura Thompson writes that due to some people noting the apparent volatile mental state of Veronica Lucan, and on the theories surrounding Rivett's murder, she adds a new, extraordinary and shocking possibility in an article. Shockingly, the theory suggests that the late Veronica Lucan was the killer, apparently based on the claim Lady Lucan was under a lot of pressure, suffered from SEVERE depression, apparently had VIOLENT tendencies, and her blood was all over the crime scene and Sandra's blood was MIXED with Lady Lucan's blood and a doctor saying it was possible, if unlikely that her head injuries were self-inflicted.

I don't know if Thompson wrote it in her book, but she perhaps wrote that this could put the claim by Lord Lucan to Susan Maxwell Scott that he saw a "man" fighting with his wife in a new light. Perhaps the man was not really a man after all. One would consider the room was dark and all Lord Lucan could see was people in a tussle. Lord Lucan said as he entered the basement, he fell in the puddle of blood and the "attacker" ran off. What if the "ATTACKER" was Lady Lucan who had attacked and killed Rivett and he indirectly gave hints to Scott that it was his wife, by saying "accused (me) of having hired a hitman to kill her". The theory would posit that when Lady Lucan ran away to the Pub, she realised that she could frame her husband and keep her children. Lord Lucan, covered in blood, knew how it looked and made arrangements for his children to be safe, by calling his mother and writing letters, which he pleaded that his children remain SAFE AND PROTECTED. It should be noted Laura Thompson does not really buy the idea that the real killer was Lady Lucan and Lord Lucan fled to protect his children as well, but given the various theories, I think more information should be found on this; could it really have been this simple? Could Lady Lucan have poised as a victim and avoided even being considered as a suspect, all these years until her death? If so, this could be literally ONE OF THE MOST GIGANTIC BLUNDERS IN ALL BRITISH CRIMINAL HISTORY. ~~ 80.43.251.32 (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a source for "the recent article by Laura Thompson"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a46789717/lord-lucan-nanny-murder-mystery-50-years/ I linked it in the "aftermath and developments" section. I have googled "Veronica head injuries self inflicted" and it turns up this brief page from Thompson's book which mentions the Doctor's suggestion https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/A_Different_Class_of_Murder/wbWfEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Laura+Thompson+lord+lucan+veronica+self+inflicted+head+injuries&pg=PT279&printsec=frontcover

In the article, Thompson writes it is apparently upcoming in a documntary to mark the 50th anniversary of Rivett's death, stating that "since Veronica’s death it has become possible to reveal that two of my interviewees held the view that she herself had committed the murder, either because of her mental state (an issue since childhood, again according to her sister) or as an act of revenge on Lucan. In fact, there was a conundrum within the forensic evidence. Blood from Sandra’s group B was found in Veronica’s shoes and on her clothes, while blood from Veronica’s group A was on the mail sack into which the victim’s body had been bundled. No questioning about this was permitted at the inquest, although a medical witness did attest that Veronica’s head injuries could—unlikely as it seems—have been self-inflicted. Such a reversal of the narrative, so compelling, like an Agatha Christie denouement, although I do not subscribe to it. The forensics were compromised by the investigation and impossible to rely upon." This is all I can find at the moment. More to come, it seems perchance.80.43.251.32 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

What year did he leave William Brandt's?

Under the 'Career' section the article states Lucan left Brandt's in 1960. Yet under the 'Personal Life (Marriage and Lifestyle) section it also states: "In 1965, while still working at Brandt's..."

Both these statements cannot be true. Daisne (talk) 20:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Claim and claimed

These are used more than two dozen times in the article, so just a headsup that MOS:CLAIM suggests that they are loaded terms and so can unduly imply doubt. It may be better to use alternative words. Jontel (talk) 19:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Or maybe there's doubt? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)