Talk:Abraham a Sancta Clara
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Abraham a Sancta Clara
[edit]from VfD:
This appears to be a hoax. A few telltale signs here: firstly, there is one edit by a known vandal yet it is wikified and has a Template:1911 tag on the image. I can find no information on barefoot Augustans on Google and I've never heard of them before! However I could be wrong about this. I'm putting it on VfD anyway. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:47, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep -- It appears to check out. Searching for "Barefooted Augustinians" gives 197 hits on Google, the first being from the Catholic Encyclopedia [1]. "Abraham à Sancta Clara" gets 153 hits, mostly in German. DCEdwards1966 04:51, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
- Yup, it's definately from the EB. A lot of our from-1911 articles are actually being created by anons, oddly enough. --fvw* 05:02, 2005 Jan 6 (UTC)
- And the barefooted Augustinians are even mentioned in our own article on the Augustinians. Keep. That was easy. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:12, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep it. Notahoax. —RaD Man (talk) 10:26, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Famous for preaching in Vienna when it was besieged by the Ottoman Turks for the second time in 1683. See [2]. I moved the page to Abraham a Sancta Clara, since the apostrophe is not correct (after all, this is a Latin name). Martg76 23:15, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. One of the most famous German-language preachers of all times. The Augustiner-Barfüßer (in Latin: OAD Ordo Augustiniensum Discalceatorum) are also real, although they are commonly known as Discalced Augustinians in English. See the entry de:Augustiner-Discalceaten in the German version of Wikipedia. --AndreasPraefcke 07:40, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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Anti-Semitism
[edit]In the last few minutes I saw a mis-used source claiming in the lede that this subject was anti-Semitic (the edit summary claimed the subject "famous" for being so). Might be the case (many Christian clerics of the day demonstrated themselves to be anti-Semitic), but the source itself does not make that claim (it may be said to have done so in a very convoluted way). I'd like to see more discussion. I saw a Teahouse question yesterday on this exact topic which reported Encyclopaedia Judaica does make such a claim. I'd be happy to see such citation added, if accurate. I'd like the article to reflect the sourcing, and in some cases it would be wise to report what the sources say, instead of making it sound like Wikipedia was making these assertions. BusterD (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- I got to this page through that teahouse question indirectly in the sense that someone knew I was just reading a book about Luther and the Jews and mentioned they saw the question in the teahouse. What you said is true about many clerics made a name for themselves by being even more extremely antisemetic than the Church in general. But Sancta Clara stands out. I also chose that specific link reference because Sancta Clara was rescued from relative obscurity by Kierkegaard and Heidegger.
- There are so many sources that I don't know where to start. What is the standard policy when there are so so so many sources?
- "After Satan Christians have no greater enemies than the Jews. . . . They pray many times each day that God may destroy us through pestilence, famine and war, aye, that all beings and creatures may rise up with them against the Christians."
- -Abraham a Sancta Clara Viennese Catholic preacher (1683)
- https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/192603/hitler-and-the-holocaust-by-robert-s-wistrich/9780812968637/excerpt
- Should I cite that and then mention Heidegger separately? Seraphya (talk) 12:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)