Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Artwork 2b to 6b.jpg
I find this image beautiful, striking, shocking, impressive, titillating, fascinating, incredible, or in short just brilliant.
This image is used in pencil. The image was created by me, and now released to public domain - Oblivious 14:30, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. Too much unused space. • Thorpe • 17:12, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- It's never about the space, its bout the expression --Oblivious 17:58, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. I just don't see what part of it belongs on FP. Deltabeignet 04:01, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. You are a good artist, keep it up. But I don't think artworks are FP material unless very old and rare. --Silversmith Hewwo 10:32, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with Silversmith. --Fir0002 22:07, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
- Support Aren't you all being a bit mean! Why shouldn't a modern piece of art be a Featured Pic? As for "unused space" the artist positioned the face as he wished, any less space and it wouldn't be set against the darkness. Finally I can easily see what part of it belongs on FP - all of it! - Adrian Pingstone 08:25, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Ok then, can you tell me which article this image is on? --Silversmith Hewwo 13:13, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Yes I can, have a look at Pencil, which it beautifully illustrates - Adrian Pingstone 13:29, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you, I think it should be replaced as it is a very poor illustration of pencil, due to it's lack of variation. An illustration of pencil should show a very high quality drawing, with the maximum amount of variation in tone. Another reason why I will oppose. --Silversmith Hewwo 10:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Yes the drawing is a good representation of pencil artwork, and it should have a place on the Pencil page, but I can't see the justification of putting it in the "manufacture" category. Sure it's been drawn with a number of the "B" pencils, but a photo of the actual production of pencils would be a much better illustration. As for us "being a bit mean", this is a voting forum, and you have to say no sometimes. How else are you going to say that it doesn't cut it for you. What's the point in voting if you can't say "Oppose" without being called "mean"? We have to make sure that a Featured Picture is really a Featured Picture, and that we don't let standards drop. A "modern piece of art" can mean anything. I think my Dragon Watercolor is pretty good, but I know it doesn't illustrate art. I think (as I said before) that Featured Picture art should be only something by someone well known, old, or rare. I don't mean any offence to you Oblivious in saying that featured art should be only something by someone well known, and I think that your drawing is good (although it is bit low res), but it isn't Featured Picture material (IMO). --Fir0002 10:09, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
- Woah... people, people calm down. Its simply an oppose or a support. I can handle intense criticism and I perfectly do understand that people here come from different backgrounds, different cultures and with different areas of expertise! Therefore, an oppose doesn’t necessarily have to be a justifiable oppose, neither a support.
However few responses ;)-
Silversmith wrote : I think it should be replaced as it is a very poor illustration of pencil, due to it's lack of variation- Poor illustration? - Oh well, this is Modern art; meaning a new approach to art where it was no longer important to literally represent a subject (through painting or sculpture)
- Lack of variation? - Would you also say The Scream lacks the variations? I mean from the available wide tones of colors Edvard Munch chose to use just few.
- Woah... people, people calm down. Its simply an oppose or a support. I can handle intense criticism and I perfectly do understand that people here come from different backgrounds, different cultures and with different areas of expertise! Therefore, an oppose doesn’t necessarily have to be a justifiable oppose, neither a support.
- Yes the drawing is a good representation of pencil artwork, and it should have a place on the Pencil page, but I can't see the justification of putting it in the "manufacture" category. Sure it's been drawn with a number of the "B" pencils, but a photo of the actual production of pencils would be a much better illustration. As for us "being a bit mean", this is a voting forum, and you have to say no sometimes. How else are you going to say that it doesn't cut it for you. What's the point in voting if you can't say "Oppose" without being called "mean"? We have to make sure that a Featured Picture is really a Featured Picture, and that we don't let standards drop. A "modern piece of art" can mean anything. I think my Dragon Watercolor is pretty good, but I know it doesn't illustrate art. I think (as I said before) that Featured Picture art should be only something by someone well known, old, or rare. I don't mean any offence to you Oblivious in saying that featured art should be only something by someone well known, and I think that your drawing is good (although it is bit low res), but it isn't Featured Picture material (IMO). --Fir0002 10:09, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you, I think it should be replaced as it is a very poor illustration of pencil, due to it's lack of variation. An illustration of pencil should show a very high quality drawing, with the maximum amount of variation in tone. Another reason why I will oppose. --Silversmith Hewwo 10:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Yes I can, have a look at Pencil, which it beautifully illustrates - Adrian Pingstone 13:29, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Silversmith also wrote: An illustration of pencil should show a very high quality drawing
high quality drawing? - Not necessarily! It depends on what you intend to draw/illustrate.
- Silversmith also wrote: An illustration of pencil should show a very high quality drawing
- Happy voting! --Oblivious 20:17, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- If you look at the article on pencil, you will see a range of pencils. The drawing should be very gradational to illustrate the amount of variation that can be achieved. This drawing lacks that variation. It is also not a drawing that demonstates
anya high level of skill or ability with pencil. It would be better placed in a modern art article. The Scream has nothing to do with this, except that this drawing did make me think of it. Inspired were you? --Silversmith Hewwo 22:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) - Oh, and to show you what I think would be great for the article: One of the greatest draftsmen in history - M. C. Escher. --Silversmith Hewwo 23:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Silversmith, this sentence - it is also not a drawing that demonstrates any skill or ability with pencil - is offensive. It may or may not be true but it remains offensively phrased. Please have more consideration for the artist - Adrian Pingstone 10:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm aware of that. But as a fellow artist I am more than familliar with the technique of critiquing work. If he wishes to be an artist, then he will hear far worse. I will strike the word "any" though, as that part isn't true. Oblivious has obviously learnt some technical ability which the drawing displays. Of course I wouldn't have said any of the above if he hadn't been so arrogant in his challange. We shouldn't be having this conversation here anyway, and I would be willing to delete everything I have written - except for my vote - if Oblivious would as well. ? --Silversmith Hewwo 10:34, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I see more than few reasons why I should not respond to the thread furthur, when I read Civility. Nope, no need to strike-out or delete anything. Let the community read and witness. I find nothing offensive here. :)- ... Once again, Happy voting... and thanks for the professionally crafted criticism :)- --Oblivious 15:22, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Support - liked it - but was like the Scream A curate's egg 19:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose - not especially aesthetically pleasing, and could be much more illustrative of the article. Pictures that only implicitly illustrate something really ought to be quite something special. - Matthew Cieplak (talk) (edits) 20:58, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose, nice drawing, but not particular featureworthy -- Chris 73 Talk 07:44, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. Your crossing out of the words in the nomination text doesn't help your case. Enochlau 08:56, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Not promoted +2 / -7 -- Solipsist 06:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
