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East 6th St or West 6th St?

If the 12th Precinct was supposed to be in Greenwich Village that would be West 6th Street. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.149.244 (talk) 01:22, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

What floor is the squad room on in barney miller?

Anyone know? ? 68.198.166.216 (talk) 15:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That would be the 2nd floor. 172.10.164.56 (talk) 03:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

It appears to be the 2nd, because of the staircase just outside the squad room door. However, in some of the episodes, the "visitors" to the squad room (victims, complainants, etc.), directly after leaving, totally ignore the stair case, and head immediately left, to me anyway, implying that the exit is "in front of" the staircase. 32.212.102.239 (talk) 05:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Barney Miller "genre" Discussion

Greetings --

Following an unsuccessful edit request, I would like to open the floor to discussion regarding a proposed edit, which I believe is value added in further discerning the unique attributes of this television series relative to archetypal American situation comedies of its time.

Following viewing of the first four seasons, it appears evident the series exhibits singular attributes regarding the implementation of additional fictional genres -- specifically, satire, black comedy, and drama -- that merit recognition to Wikipedia users desiring a more accurate perception of the series. While it's true I have no "formal" source for the proposed addition, I would respectively argue that my content proposal is no different in principle than that of any given entertainment critic...particularly so given such content is ultimately opinion-based in either case. Regardless, I would like to think my offered content was a routine, neutral conclusion resulting from chronological viewing and studying of the subject matter from the first four seasons. Your thoughts are welcomed. Thank you.

The proposed edit would be an insertion of a second sentence (in boldface) in the opening paragraph:

Barney Miller is an American sitcom television series set in a New York City Police Department police station on East 6th St in Greenwich Village. Although categorically a situation comedy, the series incorporated notable elements of satire, black comedy and drama. The series was broadcast on ABC Network...

172.10.164.56 (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

a) These would need a reference and b) bolding would be improper. MarnetteD|Talk 22:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Greetings, MarnetteDI --

Bolding was simply to show the added content. Please explain why a reference is required?

Thank you.

-JO 172.10.164.56 (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Greetings, MarnetteDI --

I am sixty years old. I have been reading literature from a realized cognition standpoint for forty-two years. I am thoroughly confident that I understand what characterizes satire, black comedy, and drama within the context of a teleplay executed and captured in a television program. Additionally, I regularly watched this program when it originally aired and have chronically watched all episodes on two occasions and am now conducting a third such viewing.

At this time I will restore the content, which is accurate. 172.10.164.56 (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

There are numerous instances of this series being referred to by the lazy portmanteau 'dramatic-comedy' given its unusual-for its time writing and staging. i think the section on production history and reception could include sourced reference from media academia on all that film school stuff, given encyclopedic tone and attribution SkidMountTubularFrame (talk) 22:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Some things to be aware of. 1) It is best not to assume things about other editors - I am older than you are and, from your description, I have watched the show many more times than you have. 2) Your understanding of what characterizes things is fine for you but it is WP:OR and WP;POV for editing articles. 3) Edit summaries are not references. While it is good that you are trying to find source4s for your information you need to read and understand WP:PRIMARY, WP:SECONDARY and WP:SELFPUBLISHED to make sure that your references meet the guidelines. 4) Your desire to stuff all the items into the lede is WP:UNDUE at the very least. There were numerous sitcoms of the 70s that went for more than broad humor in their storytelling. A subsection in the body of the article would allow for more detail as well as examples of the items you mention. MarnetteD|Talk 04:12, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

I will offer the following parting "in response" entry:  

1) I surmise you are passing judgement on me.  I assume nothing about Wikipedia editors.  I volunteered my age to show I’m seasoned and well versed (i.e., I’m not an over-zealous sixteen-year-old).  Additionally, given you’ve watched the show "many more times" than I, and are able to exercise top-down destiny of the Wikipedia content as it were — then you should make the requested edit…given you undoubtedly know the proposed content is accurate (as validated by the provided sources).  Doing so would promote an increased understanding of a central aspect of the program.

2 and 3) Given your overarching control of the matter at hand I conclude I’m in no position to satisfy your parameters, which, I might add, are inconsistent.  Notably, you initially stated my content was "unsourced".  My latest submission included sources; however, now you state "edit summaries are not references", which is incorrect given I provided references.  (It’s particularly provocative how a source from The New York Times ain’t good enough.  It’s also noteworthy that the time stamps seemingly suggest an ambush-like precision as the rejection occurred a mere 60 seconds after I published it.)

4)  The subsection idea is good; however, I have no bandwidth to formulate such a properly developed and detailed treatise.  Based on my sour experience at hand, the last thing I’m going to do is compose an essay just to have it autocratically extinguished within sixty seconds — replete with an eight-or-so-word rationale.

In any event, I have more palatably favourable things to do with my time than to attempt to place a round peg in a square Wikiwhatnot.  The audit trail here documents that my earnest attempts to provide some consequential information about a unique television program to help readers from other cultures and age groups better understand the show were sincere and value added…yet, were routinely thwarted...and so I bid "ta-ta".

As Dietrich would say, "OK, then the hell with it"; to which Yemana would add, "Very well put". 172.10.164.56 (talk) 08:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

You most certainly passed judgement here when you claimed that we had not watched the show. There are a plethora of personal attacks in your post as well. Giving you links to the proper guidelines is not inconsistent. See WP:OPTIONAL. If you can't be bothered to learn how things work at Wikipedia then there is not much that can be done for you. Feel free to use a blog or your facebook page to make your feelings about the show known. MarnetteD|Talk 14:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

James Cromwell

He was in three episodes 72.195.208.84 (talk) 06:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

And he's listed in the Guest stars subsection. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Switch cast regulars away from wikitable?

So the Cast section has information about the Regulars in a wikitable, which pushes the info about Regulars BELOW the Infobox, with a bunch of whitespace between Barney_Miller_cast_1974.jpg and the wikitable (I use a laptop). Can we switch the info about Regulars FROM being a wikitable TO something similar to 3 June 2021 (format-wise), but with the descriptions the way they are now. The seasons column info could be presented like it is at Night_Court#Cast. Thanks. EarthFurst (talk) 06:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Gloria Calomee

What about adding 'Gloria Calomee' to the cast listing? She was Det. Bailey in Season 2, 5th episode, 'Heat Wave.' Her only appearance but memorable! ~~ Hesweeney (talk) 20:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Odd order of precedence

It seems odd that in the lineup after the cast listings, that in an article named for the eponymous title character and show, that said character's family would be placed AFTER another character's; specifically that "Fish's family" would occur in the article before "Barney's family". If it were even a claim of "alphabetically", that would be acceptable, except, last I checked, B occurs in the English alphabet before F. 32.212.102.239 (talk) 05:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)