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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was - Deleted --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 09:39, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

List of conservative cities

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See above. Non-encyclopaedic subject and impossible to verify. Dbiv 19:37, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, unless a verifiable, objective citation is provided justifying the classification of each city on the list. If kept, the two lists should be merged into one. A single list of cities ranked by some reasonably objective and verifiable metric, such as the percentage of the popular vote that went to Kerry in the last election, or the relative numbers of registered Democrats and Republicans, could be encyclopedic. Two separate lists that do nothing but provide a single binary digit of information that is simply a bald assertion cannot be made encyclopedic and cannot be made NPOV. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Pointless and hopelessly POV. 23skidoo 20:15, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, as above Cdc 20:20, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Move it to category "dynamic changed lists". In order for the poll to be legitimate, after 7 days voters' participation should exceed 2% of the active voters population. The decision method that should be used in order to decide what to do should be the majority rule method. Whatever the poll's decision is, it should be valid for 3 years then reconsider.Iasson 20:54, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Just what are the admins doing with Iasson's irregular "meta-votes"?
      • Mainly we're just ignoring them. They aren't making a difference to anything. DJ Clayworth 05:17, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
        • Dear admins, I am asking simple questions, and I dont get an answer from you. What is the voters population? In order for a Vfd poll to be a valid and a legitimate one, what is the minimum number of voters (as population percentage) that has to cast a vote on it? What is your decision method? 2/3 majority? simple majority? other? Finnaly as long as you take a decision, how long this decision is valid and cannot be reversed? I am expecting simple answers from you, in order to stop proposing my onw answers.Your vfd policy is a total mess! Iasson 09:27, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I totally fail to understand what your comments are about. The procedure is well documented. "Votes" is well understood to be a misnomer. At the expiration of five days, a sysop, any sysop, may choose to act on the discussion. That sysop eyeballs the discussion and judges whether a rough consensus to delete exists. The sysop may make that judgement in any way, including counting votes, ignoring votes that he or she believes are invalid, or whatever. In addition, there is a well established guideline that in general, under most circumstances, less than a 2/3 vote to delete should not be considered consensus. It's a judgement. It's analogous to the legal system, not to a parliamentary procedure. All sounds "simple" enough to me. What don't you understand about it? Dpbsmith (talk) 11:06, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
          • Ok, the policy might not be perfect, but this is hardly the way to improve it. Your theory about requiring a certain percentage of the voting population to validate VfD votes is suspect at best, and this sort of thing isn't likely to win you any supporters. There are ways to effect reasonable policy change, but strong-arming isn't one of them. Starblind 00:56, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)
            • VfD is a well documented and smoothly functioning system. There are ways to change policy, but Iasson's approach is not one of them. The best thing to do with comments like these is simply to ignore them. "Don't feed the trolls." GeorgeStepanek\talk 01:16, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete -- DCEdwards1966 22:26, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for the same reasons I stated in the VfD for List of liberal cities. Szyslak 22:28, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete POV list. Gazpacho 00:27, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense. And consider blocking User:Iasson for his repeatedly ridiculous VfD comments. RickK 00:39, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)
    • Can you answer my simple questions, you smart guy? Iasson 09:37, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete DJ Clayworth 05:17, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, another useless list. Megan1967 00:37, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete No potential to become NPOV, huge potential for bickering. Starblind 00:57, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete -- Jmabel | Talk 01:57, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as useless. Lacrimosus 08:17, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. As with the liberal version, this is useless and POV. Carrp 16:46, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Useless, un-maintainable, un-verifiable, POV list. Jayjg | (Talk) 19:28, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, as this is a useless list. Get it out.
  • Delete POV list that is sure to attract a lot of arguments. --Deathphoenix 16:47, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Voted keep on List of liberal cities and voting keep here as well. I think looking at how large majorities in cities vote is legitimate. If the cities on the list currently should be on the list is another matter, but the list should stay. 129.177.61.124 10:35, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • delete total pov --Boothy443 10:38, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Completely POV, unhelpful. Moncrief 08:25, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)
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