User talk:Sundar/Archive1

Tamil-related

Tolkaappiyam

Hope, you're aware that someone created Tolkaappiyam page. I think, you can help/contribute for the good content. Thanks. --Rrjanbiah 08:02, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'll look at it and try to contribute there. -- Sundar 10:51, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Grantha

Finally I've found a Wikipedian who will solve this problem in no time, I hope. Can you have a look at Grantha and Talk:Grantha? Thanks in advance, Pjacobi 10:22, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Though I am not an expert with scripts as such, I can see POV in the said article. Will try to learn more and attempt to neutralise the POV. -- Sundar 10:44, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Tamil for "fox"

Would you be so kind to give me the Tamil translation of "fox"? I tried the U of Köln Online Dictionary, but it gave me 25 different results and I cannot judge, which one would be the most common or best matching word. --Pjacobi 17:06, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The Tamil equivalent for fox is nari(நரி) The first syllable is pronounced as the nu in null and the second syllable is pronounced as in ribbon -- Sundar 05:25, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Tamil Wikipedia main page

Are you also on the Tamil Wikipedia? Or perhaps you can just forward the problem to some admin there. It seems to me that the Tamil main page is in need of some helpful advice for those visitors, whose setup cannot display Tamil Unicode. See this topic: Help_desk#Displaying_foreign_language_fonts. IMHO downloading Mozilla with a TSCII font will give them the correct display even on old Systems like Win95 and Win98, I'm rather sure someone has done a localized package for this, but cannot give a link out of my head. --Pjacobi 18:50, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding, was away for the weekend. I am also on Tamil Wikipedia (though unfortunately not active). I haven't tried it on older systems. Let me try and write a note on this. -- Sundar 05:19, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

Venpa

Hi, thanks for your note. As you've been around for a while I trust you to do the right thing. These days I confine myself to editing crypto articles and I'd like to keep it that way. Have fun. Arvindn 21:13, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[in response to my request to comment if our paper can be linked from the Venpa article] sure. very interesting. it is nice to see your "academic honesty" in not adding your own paper, but I should say if it is on citeseer, it should be fair game anyway. cheers, dab (ᛏ) 14:05, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

RE: Thanks

Was quite busy and still busy with the hectic project. I know, you deserve for appreciation.

Incidentally, when I left Mayooranathan a message about Velupillai Prabhakaran image, I just seen your message to me there in Tamil wikipedia. Not sure, why I couldn't find your message especially when the edit history says that I did actually edit articles after that. Regarding your question: you need to contact Mayooranathan or to have admin rights to edit those pages. Perhaps this discussion I had at Pump may be helpful Wikipedia:Village_pump/January_2004_archive_3#Tamil_Wiki_-_language_issues --Rrjanbiah 17:32, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Tamil

Also, what about starting a Wikipedia project on Tamil like Wikipedia:Tamil. Lot of Tamil articles need proper categorization or should findout a better system of categorization. What do you think about that? I don't know, when I'll get time to do that. HAND. --Rrjanbiah 17:32, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, Rajesh. Wikipedia:Tamil is a good idea too. I'll get to that whenever I find time. I am in the midst of a flux, let it pass. -- Sundar 05:51, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

That should be called Wikipedia:WikiProject Tamil as per the existing conventions. -- Paddu 19:48, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Paddu. -- Sundar 06:29, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

What is meant by Wikipedia:WikiProject Tamil. Could some one elaborate or suggest any link for refference? Thanks. Mayooranathan 07:46, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A WikiProject is a page (or a collection of pages) in the Wikipedia: namespace where people interested in a specific topic, e.g. Tamil can collaborate to improve articles (on this English wikipedia) on the topic. For example, to improve all the Tamil-related pages, a WikiProject Tamil can be started. For example, you could look at any of the WikiProjects already started, listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject#All projects. -- Paddu 19:14, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tamil Wikipedia editing

Sundar,

This is regarding the message you posted in my talk page at Tamil wikipedia. I am not a software person. If it is possible to make the transliteration facility in the wikipedia, I do not have any objection. It may help many others too. What we should do? If you can do some thing in this matter it will be great. Thanks. Mayooranathan 10:03, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mayooranathan, If you see this site, http://jaffnalibrary.com/tools/Unicode.htm, there are two text areas and if we type the way we speak, i.e. ammaa, it will convert it to Unicode. We can copy paste the Unicode text into Wikipedia. Instead, we can have a small link which will open a popup window where in if you type ammaa, it should automatically get transliterated into the corresponding Unicode form. For that we can use the code (JavaScript) used in the said page. You can view the document source of the page to see the JavaScript code. If that's tougher, we can atleast add a link to the above page from each edit page. -- Sundar 10:34, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

We can also take the help of User:Pjacobi, if he is willing. -- Sundar 10:37, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Oops! I almost forgot about Rajesh's expertise in web technologies like PHP and JavaScript. I guess, he's the best person to work on this. -- Sundar 05:43, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Sundar for your thoughts. Actually I had and still having the idea of developing full fledged Tamil related extension for Firefox. But, after poking my nose into pagerankstatus plugin and other plugins, I couldn't get time complete that.

Right now, I use a single html file with JS map. I load it in browser from the local filesystem and use it. It may not be impressive, but if you want, I will send it to you. --Rrjanbiah 11:42, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your inputs Rajesh. Can we have some kind of browser-based (may be on the local file system or from a web server) tool that has a text area and a URL box in the upper frame and the target page for the URL in the lower frame? As we type text in the text area in the upper frame, the JavaScript should transliterate and populate the largest text area in the lower frame (in our case Wikipedia edit text area). If you click any links the target page should come in the lower frame (something like web page translation provided by http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr). Such a thing would be useful not just to me but to all wikipedians like me who are on a Unix box and use a remote desktop to edit Tamil Wikipedia. Thanks. -- Sundar 12:49, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Mine has two textarea--in the lower one you type in English and in the upper one you get it in Tamil. But, it seems that you're telling something beyond that? If so, could you please be more specific?

If you're so particular to use only in Wikipedia, we can exploit Media wiki's individual user based JS support. That needs more hacks and tweaks; anyway, will try to do that. --Rrjanbiah 13:56, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

individual user based JS support was what I was hinting at. There should be a link in each edit page in Tamil Wikipedia. If one clicks that, a popup window can open which has a text area. If you type in that text area in English, it should automatically populate the wikipedia edit text area in Tamil. I think that this will be a useful hack, it would be great if you could do that. -- Sundar 14:03, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, understood what do you mean. I think, I will work on a tiny hack first. Selective pushing inside especially in the middle is somewhat a headache in Unicoded texts; I don't think, I'll have time to do that. Anyway, will try to do my best. HAGW. --Rrjanbiah 14:35, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Rajesh. -- Sundar 09:41, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

I did not understand most of the terminologies used here, however I understand what Sundar is expecting, and I hope that Rajesh could workout something useful for all wikipedians working in Tamil wiki. Mayooranathan 19:37, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sundar, sorry I couldn't concentrate more on the Tamil key in script. Having Sunday alone as holiday in week is bit hecktic; now I have added a beta code at User:Rrjanbiah/monobook.js--it's quite buggy as I'm testing it. I want to shrink the textarea, but couldn't. Also, should work on help and other section. Probably will work on those stuff in this weekend. If you have any suggestions, please inform me. It has to be put up on monobook.js page (may require one or more browser refresh; will pull up keyman on "edit page"); perhaps, I should work on generalised bookmarklet, let me see. -- Rrjanbiah 12:38, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good work, Rajesh. It's going in the right direction. Take your own time to finish debugging and adding it to the edit page. Do it when you get free time. -- Sundar 10:18, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

I badly need beta testers:) Can you please lend some time in testing the UI?

You may need to copy User:Rrjanbiah/monobook.js to User:Sundar/monobook.js Clearing the cache or hitting refresh button once or twice should trigger the application. It triggers only in edit pages (one with "action=edit" in URL). I appends another textarea next to this usual textarea. I did a small Firefox browser check to promote it--for IE, it should exit with some alert. (You may delete the code after testing it, so that it doesn't bug you).

The problem is with the UI; it sucks a lot. Basically, it has two texareas (say, keyin for bottom; editor for top). It works in appending mode. If you type any letters in keyin, it appends the transliterated Tamil character in editor. You may also insert characters in editor by positioning the cursor and typing in keyin. If you don't select any texts in editor, keyin should clear the whole texts in it. Right now, if you select any English texts in editor, it will bug you with some debugging message.

With this UI, the problem arises when the texts in editor exceeds it's height--that is visual limit. That is, you may be seeing what you're typing in keyin--but without seeing/knowing how the text is actually converted into Tamil in editor pad.

So, the next UI I'm thinking about is using *only one* textarea and hooking it. That is, when you type anything on the textarea, it immediately gets changed/transliterated to Tamil. (That is, if you type 'd', it will be entered in the textarea as 'ட்'). This should solve the positioning and space problem, especially it should solve the focusing issue as I told above. But, I would like to know, how userfriendly it will be? Would you be willing to work in such textarea or will you be liking the one I have right now? TIA --Rrjanbiah 18:41, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'll be your beta tester. Let me give my feedback after a while. -- Sundar 05:37, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

Incidentally, do you have any images of Velupillai Prabhakaran? Any idea about copyright of Interpol images--can't we use them? -- Rrjanbiah 12:38, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't have any. Let me send it across if I find one. Idon't know about Interpol images. -- Sundar 10:18, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Probably I should get it from some LTTE webpages. --Rrjanbiah 18:41, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

New Keyman bookmarklet is available here. Looking for feedback/bug report:-) --Rrjanbiah 20:35, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, Rajesh. I wasn't very active on Wikipedia recently due to some other work. Will use the boomarklet and give you feedback. Thanks for acknowledging me on your blog. -- Sundar 10:52, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

I tested the older version of the keyman, and it works very well on Firefox. Doesn't seem to work directly on IE. It gives a script error there. Even on Firefox, it gives a script error in the beginning, but works perfectly. Will test your latest version soon. We should soon add this to Tamil Wikipedia. வாழ்துக்கள். -- Sundar 06:55, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)

Apologies for my late response; I was wandering for sometime and not feeling well. By older version, you mean the monobook.js hack?? That version didn't work well. The bookmarklet version should work fine; I have noticed few improvements to be done and will do once I get time. Both the versions, I did are only for Firefox and if you're so particular I may also try IE version. BTW, did the bookmarklet version throw any errors in Firefox (I expect not)? Happy Pongal holidays. --Rrjanbiah 20:13, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

RE: recent anonymous edits to Tamil language

Hi, I saw that you have reverted recent anonymous edits to Tamil language, but it seems you've possibly unintentionally reverted many of valid edits by User:Wikiacc and myself. Or is there some special reason to have HTML tables instead of wikitables? -- Sundar 06:50, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

Sundar, sorry didn't notice this message. Anyway, good work on Tamil language. I blindly created a temp page. I'm going to add a To-do list at Talk:Tamil language. Will hopefully try to participate in improving. Keep rocking:-) --Rrjanbiah 05:23, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Rrjanbiah. -- Sundar 05:26, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

ta.wikipedia

May I suggest that you take the necessary steps to become an admin at ta.wikipedia, and in addition ask on wikipedia-l to at least get temporary adminship out of procedure? IMHO due to low activity the Tamil wikipedia has become a target of nonsense of vandalism, see [1]. At least, it's as sporadic as the legit edits, so it won't cost you much time to take care. --Pjacobi 22:36, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)

I don't know what it takes to be an admin and thanks to me being on a particular Unix flavoured machine, I may have to access Tamil wikipedia only through a remote desktop. I've talked to wikipedians like User:Santhoshguru, User:Sanjeeth, User:Harikishore etc. We plan to improve upon Tamil language and Tamil literature and then come back to Tamil wikipedia in about a month's time. In the mean time, we'll look at adminship. I would prefer User:Santhoshguru for that for various reasons. Thanks for your suggestion, we'll definitely find a way for Tamil wikipedia. -- Sundar 03:59, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Tamil_language#Stuff_that_can_go_into_the_examples_section

• Artefact is linked to a disambiguation page.
• Components is linked to components of Object orientation

-- Kishore 06:03, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Just now I changed Components. Will look into artefact. Thanks. Can you adopt one column in that table? -- Sundar 06:04, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

The definition any object or process resulting from human activity is what was intended to be conveyed. -- Sundar 06:07, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

Charts for Tamil

Can you email me the HTML source for the PNGs? Then I don't have to retype the IPA, which is somewhat ugly to do. Then, I'll do the transliteration this weekend. --Pjacobi 12:49, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)

Thanks Pjacobi. I made them as Wikitables in Tamil alphabet and took a screenshot with the browser text size increased. I'll try to contribute towards addressing other concerns too. -- Sundar 12:54, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

RE: Tamil language FAC

Can you have a please look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tamil language and register your vote? Thanks. -- Sundar 07:34, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I'm quite busy these days because of survival reasons. And I really appreciate your works. When I get time, I'll go through the article and will cast my vote. Keep rocking! --Rrjanbiah 18:30, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Now that Tamil language had become a FA, it would be nice if we could get it onto the front page on varudapirappu (I think that's 14th April this year, but I don't have a panchangam handy) -- Arvind 23:12, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thiruvalluvar

Just wanted to thank you for your contribution to Thiruvalluvar. Thanks --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 19:44, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)