File talk:Dofficer-console-mens-side.jpg

This image was listed on images for deletion on April 17, 2005, the following is a reocrd of the discussion, there was no concensus to delete. --nixie 09:39, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

• Image:Dofficer-console-mens-side.jpg I have serious concerns about privacy and moral rights, as well as about accuracy. If the description is truthful and this is a screencap of surveillance cameras showing men at work in a mailroom, who apparently, as a condition of their work, had to strip off clothes and stand in front of showerheads, then they were not in a public place, they almost certainly did not know they were being recorded for public distribution, and they had a reasonable expectation of privacy. The person who took that screencap can not license that away. No model releases are provided. Further, I have to say the included monospaced text window, "Now tracking victim 9413. Warning: Perpetrators may be among the victims..." looks like fiction: what software would generate this, and how would it have anything to do with such a decontamination drill? Samaritan 05:10, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, they are doing their jobs, and I agree, have a reasonable expectation to privacy. --Spinboy 05:22, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, this was a decon drill, and all the participants knew that the drill was being recorded for use in various publications and training materials, etc.. The drill also simulated the possibility of having a perpetrator among the victims of the attack, which is a commonly rehearsed scenario in matters of homeland security. The image depicts a true and accurate rendition of the interior of the 3-stage hexagraphic architectural layout of an efficiently designed mass casualty decontamination facility. This image was also already published in Leonardo, the leading peer reviewed journal on art, science, and technology, where it survived the stringent peer review process of this publication. Glogger 16:15, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • The volunteers in the drill also helped to build the facility, and helped to install the cameras, and to capture the data, and everyone was aware of the privacy implications of the project. As is common in some decon drills, participants wore bathing suits under their clothes, at the 80 Spadina Ave. location. Many decon drills are televised and reported in newspapers, etc., so this is not out of the ordinary. All computer programs used for the processing and capture, etc., were in GNU Linux with GNU programs. This image was also published in the peer reviewed journal Leonardo; see http://wearcam.org/leonardo/ Glogger 16:34, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Does this mean then that they definitely gave their permission for this picture to be published? Where I come from I'm pretty sure you can be prosecuted for distributing surveillance images like this. That monospaced bit of text does look somewhat unbelievable. I really don't know what to make of this image. — Trilobite (Talk) 23:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Sounds like you aren't aware of the material on wearcam.org, go read up--Gmaxwell 00:43, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep As above, you wouldn't have been in this picture without wanting it published.