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"Sludge metal"

The genre "sludge metal" appears to have been added into the infobox. The source from PopMatters doesn't seem to call this album "sludge metal", and the closest reference to this within the text of the source states specifically that the song "Junkhead" has the sound of what would become "sludge rock".

This doesn't meet the criteria for adding a new genre to the infobox, therefore the genre will be removed. JoeyofScotia (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The genres

Should be trimmed down to just grunge, as this is the one it is most commonly described as. The other genres currently listed are mainly influences, and hard rock is straight up laughable --FMSky (talk) 11:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not influences. The album was placed on a list of the best alternative metal albums, so it was not influenced by the style but is considered part of it by the source in use. Regarding the other one, heavy metal, several online magazines mention "Dirt" in lists of the best metal albums of the 90s, Loudwire for example. As for hard rock being laughable for this album, it's an AllMusic ref that clearly calls "Dirt" and the self-titled LP hard rock albums. It's also worth pointing out that hard rock also means "heavy rock" and yes, "Dirt" is a heavy rock/metal album and sources can prove this. Finally, the fact that the album is more associated with grunge and most websites/magazines mention it as a grunge album doesnt erase the other three sourced genres unless it was something really ridiculous like calling it thrash metal for example. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 20:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get the alt-metal tag but that list you mentioned just talks about metal albums in general and not about (traditional) heavy metal that Iron Maiden and Judas Priest play. Alice in Chains has nothing to do with that genre.

@FMSky: I agree with @SpaceHelmetX1:. The genres are sourced and there is no good reason to remove them. The sources do not describe the genres as an influence. "Keeping it simple" is not a good reason for removing sourced genres, especially when there are only four genres listed. That's not exactly overkill. Also you said "hard rock is straight up laughable". That is not a valid reason to remove a genre that is well supported by a source. Genres are based on what sources say, not user opinion. Removing sourced genres because of your own opinion is disruptive. Bowling is life (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"heavy metal" isn't sourced. just calling something a metal album is not that --FMSky (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why heavy metal could be removed, assuming we can't find any better sources for it. But, alternative metal and hard rock should stay because they are supported by the sources. Bowling is life (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In a quick search I found four different reviews explicitly calling the album heavy metal. Rolling Stone uses the term "metal" generically and doesn't talk exclusively about traditional heavy metal so I removed it from infobox, but a new material has already been provided. Whether the band has anything to do with heavy metal or not needs to be discussed on the band's article talk page, not here. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]