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Fábio Moura

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Player's entire career was seven minutes over two second-division games in Portugal, plus 66 minutes over three League Cup games. [1] His entire career was less than what tens of thousands of professionals clock up every weekend. Wider sources do not point to any notability, such as this one: "In these friendly games, the use of various lesser-used players such as Rafa, Fábio Moura, Ricardo and Paulo Renato is noted". [2] Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frontier Economics

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This article is mostly unsourced other than the company's website, and Vault.com which does not meet WP:RS, reads like promotional material, and no one has improved it since it has been tagged as requiring reliable sources in December 2022.--Almaty🦢^✉✎ 10:39, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shitpyit (15°35′N 98°6′E)

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Duplicate article of Sinpyay, location in the title is incorrect, not a plausible search term and no reliably-sourced content to merge. Not eligible for PROD. FOARP (talk) 10:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iyad Boustany

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WP:BEFORE done, and I can see that there is a living person of this name according to [this https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1266103/federalism-in-lebanon-a-cure-all-or-a-sham.html] 2021 piece in L'Orient-Le Jour. Similarly this in L'Orient-Le Jour indicates he may be a writer with arguable significance, that preamble to Wikipedia:Notability. As always, happy to be proven wrong about this, or anything else en.wp wide. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kochu Hassan Kunju Bahadoor

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Unnotable guy from india. There is 0 information about him on the Internet. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 09:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luis Ahumada

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~~Poorly sourced BLP with no real assertion of notability. I found Los Kamas Deportes but this isn't enough for WP:SPORTBASIC on its own. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I was able to find sufficient coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. @GiantSnowman: JTtheOG (talk) 07:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Responds to WP:GNG thanks to the added sources. Thank you JTtheOG SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I'm happy to withdraw based on the new sources added. Of course, this can't be fully withdrawn with some participants still in favour of deletion. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sisir Radar

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This company page is 100% WP:PROMO. Fails WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mir Mugdho

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Clear case of WP:BIO1E: the coverage is solely about his death. This article is similar to Farhan Faiyaaz, and a Merge into List of people who died in the July massacre might be a good option. Even international responses were only because of his death. GrabUp - Talk 09:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harvey Spevak

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Passing mentions in the RS's in the article - most focus on his company, not him. Potential history of COI per article tag from 2020.

The only article I could find where he is the sole subject is this interview from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danschawbel/2017/04/07/harvey-spevak-the-leadership-lessons-hes-learned-from-growing-equinox/ Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 14:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Per the prior deletion discussion, this source is a Forbes contributor, so as far as I'm aware it loses its reliability. Notability is not inherited. Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi (A)

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This article has been around since 2013, yet makes no claim of notability for any of the songs. The only reference is a book called "...130 Popular Songs...", which appears to be just a book of song lyrics, so it does not appear useful as a reliable source. There are a dozen more articles in this set. This article and its siblings appear to violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY or one of the other guidelines on that page. I suspect that List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi could be kept if some reliable sources were added, but the alphabetical directory pages should be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment the 14 other articles of this form should be bundled with this nomination; I shall do so now. There are no sources that suggest this level of detail is encyclopedic in nature; perhaps @Jax 0677: can explain why these database-detailed articles are notable. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - I split List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi because it was very long. I will not be upset if this page and others like it no longer exist, but I do suggest redirecting to List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi with history in tact so long as that page exists. If that page no longer exists, then I suggest redirecting to Mohammed Rafi with history in tact. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Having recorded thousands of songs in multiple languages, this database cannot be entertained here. Lorstaking (talk) 05:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexei Pavlov (swimmer)

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Does not meet WP:SPORTCRIT as there is not significant coverage in reliable sources. Adabow (talk) 09:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 07:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joy (Inside Out)

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I tried to do BEFORE, but I don't see any SIGCOV but movie reviews and about actors. Her current reception was mostly about the actress, who voiced Joy; not the character itself. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep there's already sufficient coverage in the article to meet GNG. Nom suggests that coverage of the voice actress is irrelevant. I disagree. The reception section is appropriate already, although likely improvable. Jclemens (talk) 07:18, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep A well-written article about one of the main characters in a major Pixar movie franchise. I think enough coverage is given to the Joy character within the included sources. --Alan Islas (talk) 14:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Inside Out (franchise)#Cast and characters per nom. Not seeing any SIGCOV in the article and no search on the part of any of the participants seems to have turned up anything either. Willing to change my vote if anything's discovered but from what I'm seeing there's not much here that indicates standalone notability. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep My impulse was to suggest a merge, but the text and sources in the criticism/reception section are good enough. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Inside Out (franchise)#Cast and characters per nom. Not independently notable; the mentions of her are pulled from sources about the film itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - There are enough sources in the article to show GNG. More sources can be found online too (e.g. - [3] talks about the character in depth. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Inside Out (franchise)#Cast and characters per nom. and ZXCVBNM. Not independently notable. Lazy, but I don't plan on restating previous points.

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Pantodapoi

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Unreferenced stub gives a definition for "Pantodapoi" which appears to be original research as the main sources found online are product pages for "Pantodapoi Phalangite" miniatures made by a maker called "Xyston". Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm not expert enough with Greek military units to feel confident in voting, but I did check some typical reference sources, including Harper's Dictionary of Classical Antiquities and Pauly-Wissowa, neither of which has an entry for "pantodapoi". I also checked under "auxiles" or related headwords. A broad search of the classical materials at Perseus turned up the word with reference to a kind of sauce (perhaps I misunderstood) and in a couple of other places, but not with reference to soldiers. A Google search for "pantodapoi soldiers" turned up a set of circular-looking definitions, perhaps based on this article or wherever its definition came from in the first place.

I suspect that what has happened here is that the article's creator confused a description of some auxiliary soldiers with a name for their unit: pantodapoi phalangites means "miscellaneous soldiers (in a phalanx)", not "a particular type of soldiers (natives) making up a phalanx". But it would be nice to see if anyone with more expertise in Greek military history concurs with this. Not certain that the general notability guideline is what's relevant here; if the definition were correct, I think the topic would be notable. But if, as I believe, the article is the result of a misunderstanding, then it can be deleted as though it were a hoax (albeit an accidental one). P Aculeius (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of wars involving South Korea

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Propose redirecting List of wars involving South Korea to List of wars involving Korea#South Korea, just like List of wars involving Korea#North Korea. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wars involving North Korea (nominated by Cortador), which resulted in the same solution on 3 November 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 15:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinging other participants of previous discussion for follow-up: @Mikrobølgeovn, MolecularPilot, and My very best wishes:. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This outcome (the merger) was most unfortunate. Although Korea has been a divided country since the 1940s, editors seem adamant to treat it as a single country. We don't we give Sudan and South Sudan the same treatment, for good measure? Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF Cortador (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikrobølgeovn has a point, but I think the comparison of Korea with Sudan and South Sudan does not work well. Below I've presented some thoughts on comparing Yemen and Korea, curious what editors think of that. NLeeuw (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: One of the arguments used by nom of previous AfD was This also has precedent e.g. East and West Germany don't have separate pages for their wars, and neither do North and South Vietnam or North and South Yemen. The first half is true, but not the second: We've got List of wars involving North Yemen, List of wars involving South Yemen, as well as List of wars involving Yemen. However, given the significant amount of WP:OVERLAP between the three, we might consider the North and South lists WP:REDUNDANTFORKs, to be merged into List of wars involving Yemen. (The obvious difference being that North and South Yemen no longer exist, only a united Yemen, at least officially; by contrast, a united Korea no longer exists, but a North and South Korea do, despite claiming the whole peninsula for themselves.) But that would be a good idea for a follow-up if this AfD has been closed as nominated. NLeeuw (talk) 15:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As with the list of wars involving North Korea, declaring historical states on the territory of modern South Korea (like Goryeo) to be predecessors to South Korea specifically is questionable. There's currently no need for a separate article. Cortador (talk) 16:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should have a main one for Korea, with links to separate lists for North Korea and South Korea. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am open to this alternative proposal of three separate lists:

Korea until 1948
North Korea since 1948
South Korea since 1948

@Shazback below seems to be suggesting the same thing.

If we do choose for this alternative, I would recommend including the words until 1948 and since 1948 in the article titles just to make clear to both readers and editors what the scope of each list is, and to prevent creating WP:REDUNDANTFORKs again. Cortador was right that we shouldn't duplicate content, but merging all three lists into one might not be the best solution. Also for readability, navigability, and categorisation purposes, three separate lists would solve several practical problems, including the untenable idea that there is still a unified Korean state as of 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 20:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Very surprised by the outcome of the previous AfD, which I did not see/participate in. I would be surprised to be directed to a page covering wars of multiple states if I was looking for either one.
My suggestion would for "List of wars involving Korea" to be a disambiguation page with 3 pages listed: "List of wars involving states of the Korean peninsula (pre-1948)"; "List of wars involving North Korea"; "List of wars involving South Korea". Both the latter pages only include post-1948 conflicts, and can have a section at the beginning stating that the state claim succession to pre-1948 states if necessary.
This follows the most common way people view and analyse the world when considering wars (by state), avoids duplication by clearly separating historical lists where states did not match current territories (e.g., whatever criteria are most relevant for inclusion can be decided, for instance to consider the Ungjin Commandery without needing to worry if either South or North Korea claim it as a predecessor state), while remaining clear link targets that can be found easily. Shazback (talk) 19:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Most of these articles list every war that happened at a location, instead of the current nation. List of wars involving the United States doesn't list the wars that happened there between native Americans or others before the nation was officially founded. Dream Focus 18:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps because the United States does not claim succession of those states? Plenty of other articles list them by geography / include predecessor states to the current country (e.g., List of wars involving Poland, List of wars involving Vietnam). Shazback (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a general rule, we do not create lists or categories based on the geographic location where a war or battle took place, as this is usually WP:NONDEFINING. See WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. These lists are about belligerents involved in a conflict, not countries etc. where the conflict took place. Therefore, there are no battles "involving the United States" prior to the American Revolutionary War. NLeeuw (talk) 02:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I follow / understand fully your comment. Both pages I shared include plenty of elements that occured prior to the current constitution / establishment of the Third Polish Republic or the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Many of these are lineage / predecessor states that had claim over the general area of the current state (not identical borders). Furthermore, a cursory / quick look at both these lists as well as the list of wars involving the United States shows they include cases were the state is not a belligerent per se: Bleeding Kansas in the USA list, the Later Trần rebellion (1407–1414) in the Vietnam list, and the Januszajtis putsch in the Poland list. I'd also note that World War I is listed as a conflict involving Poland, despite Poland not existing at any point during the war as a clear indication geography is considered when compiling these lists. These lists are not pages I like / find very useful exactly because of the points made in the WP: pages you linked. When looking at wars of Country A, my personal expectation is to see only the wars of what is commonly understood to be Country A in current geopolitics (i.e., for North Korea, 1948+, for the USA 1775/6+, for Poland 1918+, for Vietnam 1976+). But that's not how many other people like it, as they expect to see predecessor states' wars included in these lists. Shazback (talk) 02:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My comment was a reply to both Dream Focus and you. I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just adding some thoughts and pointing to some relevant policies and guidelines. NLeeuw (talk) 11:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As I see it the current list can't stand as it is but not for notability reasons. South Korea did not exist until 1948, so if we are going to have a list with this title, the earliest war should begin in 1948. However, if we are going to include wars extending back in time in that geographic area than that topic is better covered at List of wars involving Korea. So I would support a Keep if the list does not include content before 1948 or a redirect to List of wars involving Korea#South Korea. Best.4meter4 (talk)

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Keep the List of wars involving South Korea and Reestablish the List of wars involving North Korea. Those two are the modern countries and disserve their own articles. The List of wars involving Korea article should have the wars that occurred before the 1945 division of Korea. Dash9Z (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Several participants of the previous AfD, as well as new participants, have indicated that they are surprised by the previous AfD's outcome, and do not think it serves as a good precedent for this one. That undermines my rationale.

As nom, moreover, I am open to the alternative proposal of three separate lists:

involving Korea until 1948
involving North Korea since 1948
involving South Korea since 1948

This alt proposal appears to enjoy a majority right now. The inclusion of the year 1948 in the title of all three separate lists also appears to enjoy some support, in order to prevent duplication (WP:REDUNDANTFORKs) and WP:OR by implying that North Korea and South Korea have already existed for hundreds of years. Even though the ROK and DPRK do not diplomatically recognise each other, the de facto reality is that Korea ceased to be a unified state in or around 1948, and has split in two, a situation which has been consolidated since the 1953 ceasefire. It is probably best if our lists of wars involving Fooland reflect that, and the year 1948 will serve as the turning point in which the Korea list splits into North Korea and South Korea. NLeeuw (talk) 06:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Endangered Species" (magazine cover)

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Perhaps the worst WP:REFBOMB I've ever seen. Despite the large number of sources, many don't even even mention "Endangered Species", and none are significant coverage.

In the current version citations 1-5 source the background and do not mention the article at all.

6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, and 13 are the barest passing mentions of the article.

14 through 20 again are about electoral history but do not even mention the article.

21 is a brief mention where Grunwald says the article didn't hold up and 22 is likewise nothing more than the quote used here.

23-26 are again just passing mentions.

In sum, there's certainly acknowledgement that the magazine's provocative headline was memorably wrong, but there's no substantial analysis of the article or a single source with depth to it to pass GNG – I guess it make sense that the title has simply "(magazine cover)". There's certainly more to be said at Democratic Party (United States)#21st century/Republican Party (United States)#21st century or elsewhere that can reference this, but not a standalone article for this. Reywas92^Talk 05:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or Merge to a TBD target. The WP:RS citations 9, 10, 11, and 13 each provide 1-2 paragraphs of coverage of the magazine cover (not the article) as a subject in itself. While references 23, 24, 25, 26 provide only fleeting, or single-sentence, mentions which don't contribute to SIGCOV, the first four (9, 10, 11, 13) are -- by themselves -- enough to sustain the standard of WP:SIGCOV. The fact the article is unnecessarily long and over-referenced doesn't really impact the WP:N of the subject. It could probably use a good trim but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Chetsford (talk) 05:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Azzam

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Significant coverage in reliable sources is lacking. Does not meet WP:NSPORT or WP:NBASIC. Frost 05:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carson Vinson

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I am struggling to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Most of the sources available contain routine coverage of an invite to a college all-star game, with a notable exception being this piece from Alabama News Center, which has maybe a half-dozen sentences of independent coverage of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 05:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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American Airlines Flight 1722

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Clearly fails WP:AIRCRASH and WP:NOTNEWS. Just is basically a WP:COOKIE accident. Routine and unnotable. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. This isn't the Miracle on the Hudson. Wake me up when the pilot appears on Letterman and movies are made about this. schetm (talk) 04:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Julian Humphrey

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Draftify as I am struggling to find much of any in-depth coverage of the subject, failing WP:GNG. Despite the WP:REFBOMB, everything that comes up is basic coverage of either his college commitment (or de-commitment) or his transfer to another school, with some quotes and stats sprinkled in. This is what we would call "routine transactional announcements" in other sports. JTtheOG (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Justo Lamas

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I cannot find evidence of Lamas' notability as a singer nor for his company which is a worthwhile educational initiative but doesn't appear notable. Coverage appears to be churnalism that is otherwise non independent. There are a lot of hits noting one of the company's artists is performing and some related to someone else of this name, but I cannot find anything of depth. Star Mississippi 04:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Magic Mike (disambiguation)

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There is only one topic with the name "Magic Mike." Plants vs. Zombies (disambiguation) was deleted for similar reasons. GilaMonster536 (talk) 03:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: see WP:SETINDEX -Mushy Yank. 08:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Claude Taleb

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WP:BLP of a political figure, not properly sourced as passing WP:NPOL. The attempted notability claims here are that he was a regional vice-president, a campaign director and a regional election candidate, none of which are free passes over NPOL without WP:GNG-worthy sourcing for them, but the only footnote here is a blog entry rather than a reliable source. It also warrants note that there isn't an article about him on the French Wikipedia, where articles about genuinely notable French politicians would obviously be quite expected. Bearcat (talk) 03:49, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neotia University

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This will need to satisfy either WP:NORG or WP:GNG in order to be considered notable, both of which it fails to do. Although this article cites no usable sources, the sources I found while performing a WP:BEFORE did not have WP:SIGCOV, most of them were only mentioning it's rankings or the events conducted at the university. [4][5][6][7], note that none of these sources identify an individual reporter and have generic bylines as author information, so they all fall under the purview of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. - Ratnahastin (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Universities established by statute have always considered to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp: Please point out the relevant guideline/consensus. - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has consistently been the result of AfDs. Hence consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only notability guideline pertaining to universities is at WP:NSCHOOL which states :- All universities, ..... that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page) or the general notability guideline. (Emphasis mine). There's an apparent contradiction here between what you are saying and the guideline, additionally can you also demonstrate how what you are saying is the consensus on notability of universities established by statue.- Ratnahastin (talk) 13:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the somewhat related SCHOOLOUTCOMES RFC,[8] the RFC close found that
Citing SCHOOLOUTCOMES in an AfD makes the circular argument "We should keep this school because we always keep schools". This argument has been rejected by the community.
Rightly so. The page is notable if it meets the appropriate notability guidelines and policy. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the RfC only applied to secondary schools and not universities and shouldn't be cited to support any other deletion arguments. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See my words somewhat related. Circular arguments do not stop being circular when the students at the relevant institution are a couple of years older. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No sourcing that I can find that this meets NORG, which would be required for a private university. I would happily move to redirect if someone can find an appropriate target. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Island City, Indiana

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It's rare for an "X City" place to fail verification, and I'd like to think there is some information out here that would at least clarify matters here. So far, I've found nothing that was a reference to the mining enterprise. Judging from the oldest topos I've seen, the mine was southeast of the town "site", for they show a strip mine there. Everything else says "rail point", so the most likely history is that they wanted a town there, but it failed. But I cannot prove this nor any other theory. Mangoe (talk) 03:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless an editor can provide references to several reliable sources that devote significant coverage to Island City, Indiana. Cullen328 (talk) 09:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mauricio Sanchez

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Declined PROD; apparently, it was PRODded years before. Old article. Fails a WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - Couldn't find any decent secondary sources with significant coverage at all to support WP:NACTOR. As an alternative to deletion, consider redirect to I Love New York (TV series) as this was pretty much his only role of any significance. SunloungerFrog (talk) 06:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ratio (company)

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Article does not demonstrate notability. The VentureBeat article is written by the CEO of the company itself, the remaining coverage is of routine fundraising events (WP:ORGTRIV). Brandon (talk) 02:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trina Pratt

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aissa Bouaraguia

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Netta Schreiber

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diana Pervushkina

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Svitlana Pylypenko

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ellie Kawamura

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:33, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fabrizio Pedrazzini

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Association of Residential Cleaning Services International

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Semi-advertorialized article about an organization, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for organizations. As always, organizations are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show WP:GNG-worthy coverage about their work in reliable sources to establish their significance -- but this is referenced entirely to primary sourcing that is not support for notability, mostly the organization's own self-published content about itself but also some content self-published by other directly affiliated entities, with not even one GNG-worthy source shown at all. Bearcat (talk) 02:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Elyssa East

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This subject appears to fail WP:GNG for lack of WP:SIGCOV by unrelated parties. Interviews, WP:BLPSPS websites and the like don't help here. This subject also fails WP:NAUTHOR because contributions appear not to be very significant. And PEN New England Awards do not confer automatic notability. JFHJr (㊟) 01:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, or rename. Her book, Dogtown, is notable, having won a PEN award and been reviewed by, e.g., The New York Times. We should have an article about the book or its author. pburka (talk) 04:30, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Champaben

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I'm trying to clean up articles in projects Jainism and Hinduism. I came across this supposedly biographical article of a personality with poor notability. While I acknowledge that notable religious figures should have a separate article, I also see that this one simply only advertises the personality's religious beliefs and makes unsupported arguments without any credible secondary sources. The article may be deleted as there have been no sources as per WP:RS since January 2018. Tagging User:RJShashwat, User:Goyama and User:Expectopatronum30 for their views as they have been active in the project Jainism and have responded in an earlier AfD I nominated. Note that the creator of the article was blocked indefinitely in March 2018 for a lengthy history vandalising other articles and sockpuppetry. I also noticed that the creator of this article had created another one before this one with the name "Sister Champa" that I assume would refer to the same person. However that article was speedily deleted for not having enough reliable sources and poor notability of the subject of the article. ParvatPrakash (talk) 00:24, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sebastian Hernandez (soccer, born 1993)

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American former soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 00:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Margaret D. Nadauld

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Margaret D. Nadauld was a former president of the Young Women organization. This article was deleted on october 17, 2018 for being unnotable. It was recreated today, the author added 25 new sources but all of them seem to be just brief mentions of her. I still think that this article does not satisfy notability guidelines. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 16:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WikiProject Women in Religion has also been notified. Oronsay (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The first AfD had no discussion on it which is disappointing and I don't know how to see what the article looked like at that time. My comments are that there seems to be reporting on her actions as president of the organization from non-related sources and that women, especially in more socially conservative areas like religious groups, are mentioned less than equivalent men. Having said that I am not certain this article either meets or doesn't meet requirements I just want to help start a conversation that should be had. The primary author of the article posted on the talk page their reasoning for keeping, not sure why it isn't here.

Moritoriko (talk) 07:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep This article was nominated for deletion by a new WP user (account created Nov. 5), who nominated 25+ articles for deletion in one day using Twinkle, with the explanation, "Its relaxing, I love cleaning Wikipedia from bad articles!" on his talk page. When I kindly (I hope) pointed out that this creates significant work for others, within hours this user nominated this new article of mine for deletion. Because I think the deletion proposal was not made on the merits or in good faith I believe this meets the requirements for WP:SK per reason 2a.

Regarding the merits of the case for deletion, the proposer reports to have perused the 29 attached sources and only found "just brief mentions of her". Hmmm. Six articles are entirely about Nadauld. All of the rest that are news articles have at least full paragraphs about her, and are in the context of her activities and accomplishments. As with the other 20+ proposed deletions, he does not report having followed the required WP:BEFORE process, and I believe has not done so. This despite being told by at least three people about WP:BEFORE before he proposed deletion of this article. I've counted over 200 articles mentioning Nadauld in my WP:BEFORE search, one of which is a lengthy, independent secondary source newspaper article entirely about her. Somehow he missed that.

This new article establishes notability by using over 25 different sources. None are trivial mentions per WP:SIGCOV. They are a mix of primary and secondary.

Several sources are clearly, irrefutably independent, including the retrospective of Nadauld's presidency in The Daily Spectrum, the Provo Daily Herald article, and the several Salt Lake Tribune articles. The Tribune was founded specifically for the purpose of being a counterpoint to the Church's viewpoint, as detailed in its WP article. And three secondary sources are academic historical research papers, assessing impact of various initiatives during Nadauld's tenure. As a whole, this all establishes the notability of the article's subject.

Other factors regarding Nadauld's notability:

She was global president of a one million-plus member notable organization.
The organization has had sixteen presidents in its 144-year history, and Nadauld was the only one who does not have a WP article, despite serving a full term of five years. I tend to believe the deletion of Nadauld's article would be an error (if it were sourced properly), rather than the creation of the other fifteen articles being errors.
Seven other WP articles reference Margaret D. Nadauld. This is specified as a measure of notability.
WP:SUSTAINED is established by several sources:
- the 2005 masters thesis,
- the 2008 Spectrum retrospective article,
- the news report of the luncheon honoring her nine years after leaving office,
- the peer reviewed research from 2015 assessing her impact,
- the television interview with Nadauld in 2015 analyzing organization changes made by the church,
- multiple invitations to speak at university graduations in the decades since her service, and
- the fact that several quotes from her speeches and books regularly appear on social media and quote collections, such as on Goodreads, twenty-plus years after her tenure. This google image search shows several hundred examples: [9]. Do I need to link some of these as sources? Davemc0 (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through the sources of this version of the page, they are (organized by supporting notability):

3. The Spectrum article is actually good.

21. OK, but also just the school newspaper that her husband was the president at

28. OK

2. A short biography (and a speech she wrote), I think a lot hinges on if this biography was provided by her or written independently. If it's the former then it doesn't support notability at all.

6. a mention

7. a mention

8. a mention

9. a mention

15. a mention

16. a mention

23. a mention

10. trivial

12. trivial

13. trivial

14. trivial

18. trivial

19. trivial

20. trivial

22. trivial

24. trivial

25. trivial

26. trivial

4. primary, no notability

5. primary, no notability

27. primary, no notability

29. entirely consists of quotes from her, no notability

1. no mention

11. no mention

17. no mention

I think you are overstating your case here when you might not need to. As far as the other factors go:

500,000 people at the time she was president according to the best article about her but potato potato.

I've looked through the other presidents, many of them are also notable for things besides being president and at least one of the others I think doesn't have enough sources on her page for her to be notable either.

Good point

The masters thesis barely mentions her, I didn't find the 2015 peer reviewed research about her impact, which source is that? Again the spectrum article is the best article for her notability.

@SolxrgashiUnited can you have a look through the Spectrum article and let me know what you think? Moritoriko (talk) 00:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, im unable to access it. For some reason the site does not open. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. What behavior do you get when you try? We're talking about these two links, right? [10] and [11]. It works for me on two computers and two browsers. Weird. I can make a copy for you somewhere if you need me to. Davemc0 (talk) 23:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cloudflare blocked me. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 17:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a pain! I put copies of the two halves of the article on my Google Drive here: https: //photos.app.goo .gl/DyDaHMCEB2iaFrkG8 (you have to copy and paste the link without spaces). If Cloudflare blocks that for you I could put them on my talk page for a short time and then delete them. Cheers. Davemc0 (talk) 15:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding sources:

2. Agree that the bio doesn't indicate notability if she wrote it. Typically, the university leadership will put together a bio from a few sources. But ignoring the bio, this source is a college graduation address, which is a strong indicator of notability, especially since she was invited 20 years after her presidency term ended.

6. Five paragraphs are about her and what she said. The other 6 paragraphs are about Faust, who also spoke. So this is much more than a mention.

7. The article is about six speeches given. Three paragraphs were about hers. That's more than a mention, in my opinion.

Er, the histories were 2011, not 2015. They are refs 16 and 18. 16 is a history of the whole organization, and has three paragraphs about Nadauld and her tenure. That's NOT trivial, and places her leadership in the context of the broader history. The later paragraph about camps is also regarding the 8400 acre camp that Nadauld started.

18. The other history. One long paragraph places Nadauld's 2002 changes in context. I'd promote this one from "trivial" to "a mention".

29. Correct that it's not a news story about her. The fact that a network affiliate news organization chose her to interview about the actions of a 16 million member church is how this indicates notability. And the fact that the station did so 13 years after Nadauld ended her leadership in the church's organization is the indication of WP:SUSTAINED.

The size of the organization (1 million vs. 500,000) came from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism article. It's a 1991 figure. I know the church grew between 1991 and 2002, so I was surprised to see the 500,000 figure. Similarly, that article says she visited 25 countries as president, while the Ensign College bio says 55. I don't know which is more accurate.

Anyone have thoughts about the couple hundred post of quotes of hers that are currently floating around social media? Recall that sources in articles and actual notability are completely separate concepts.

I can't track what you're replying to with your other comments. Which was a good point? Which was overstating my case? If you don't think I need to state the case more strongly I'd sure appreciate if you would render a "Keep" or "Speedy Keep" opinion to help us all move on.

Davemc0 (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Davemc0 You should remove the bolding from your later comments, as editors are allowed only one bolded !vote in any discussion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. "I don't think" isn't really the standard for deletion. Clearly, the individual is notable. (Capricious AfD noms really do diminish WP.) DesignatedGrammarian (talk) 11:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. . Seems to satify satisfy quite well the requirements of WP:GNG. Regards, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 05:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy/procedural keep per Davemc0. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC) Striking per the below. I'll do a proper source review. In fact, no. Off my expertise. I'll unwatch this one. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for closer: I am not going to weigh in on the merits of this debate, but one participant, Davemc0, sought to canvass several editors (see ([12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]) to manipulate the outcome by !voting "keep." At least one editor, BoyTheKingCanDance, !voted "keep" after receiving the inappropriate canvassing message. (Furthermore, "speedy keep" does not apply since, whether or not the sources are as participants say, asserting a lack of notability is an appropriate rationale.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't know about the canvassing rule. Someone pointed it out right afterward, and I apologized and haven't done it since. While I was not neutral in phrasing my request for help, I think the people who I asked to take a look mostly meet the description of "concerned editors" under "appropriate people". The only canvassed person who responded is a very expert reviewer of new pages, so I believe the discussion is not very tainted. Anyway, sorry. Davemc0 (talk) 22:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 6 and 7 confirm this person was the chair of the organization. Source 21 is also confirmation, albeit brief. If the role itself is notable, we at least have basic confirmation of this person holding that role. The rest is more than enough to build an article. Oaktree b (talk) 00:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Lassiter

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this American former soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The best I found was routine coverage of his draft selection and contract signing. JTtheOG (talk) 00:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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