Talk:Acute radiation syndrome

Article contradicts itself re: neurovascular symptoms

In the list description of symptom types, it reads,

"3. Neurovascular. This syndrome typically occurs at absorbed doses greater than 30 grays (3,000 rad), though it may occur at 10 grays (1,000 rad).[3] It presents with neurological symptoms like dizziness, headache, or decreased level of consciousness, occurring within minutes to a few hours, and with an absence of vomiting; it is invariably fatal.[3]"

It is followed by a table reporting the incidence of nausea at >30 Gy as 100%. The table also describes mild to moderate headache and short term cognitive impairment as results of a 2-6 Gy dose, which is potentially survivable.

So altogether the actual facts seem to be clear as mud. Anyone got a good cite to clear up this contradiction? A. J. Luxton (talk) 09:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@A J Luxton: 1) The higher dosages includes the symptoms of lesser dosages. 2) The effects on the human body may deviate from case to case. 3) Radiation can be directed and even limited to certain body parts. 4) One way to view the data is that there has not been that much information gathered on humans suffering from those dosages, only a handful of people have experienced that much radiation throughout the whole history of mankind, and pieces of evidence taken from different sources may deviate from each others, as they are likely case studies. You could go to the sources and see what they say exactly. 30Gy is what one would receive if being next to the fuel rods of a nuclear reactor for like 2-5 minutes while it is going through a meltdown, being half a kilometer away from a nuclear fission bomb when it goes off, et.c. · · · Omnissiahs hierophant (talk) 13:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

I spent some more time on reading the sources, because I actually don't know of any single case where a human have managed to get a 30Gy dose and survived long enough to end up at a hospital bed. The first source ([3] in your quote) is in turn referencing US army medical textbooks, the CDC and FDA. They also mention dosages as high as 50Gy. The second source is a verbatim copy of a table in the merck manual on radiation poisoning. The TLDR for neurovascular effects is that that amount of radiation simply just shreds the body apart, rupturing the blood vessels (mentioned for lower dosages, but especially 30+ Gy according to these sources). I assume they figured that out from animal tests :( but it does not say · · · Omnissiahs hierophant (talk) 16:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Walking ghost

"Walking ghost" redirects here, but the term is not used or explained in the article. Could someone knowledgeable please add something?Tad Lincoln (talk) 03:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Why not just search for these sources? It is probably not difficult.

Its when the body has received so much radiation that death is certain, but death has not yet occurred. People can be somewhat functional at least for a short time afterwards, but they are essentially walking dead. Hisashi Ouchi probably experienced this, basically every cell in his body had the chromosones shredded to pieces, making it difficult for the cells to produce more enzymes/proteins, and death follows. · · · Omnissiahs hierophant (talk) 11:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

If it links to the article it should be mentioned in the article or the redirect should be deleted. Walking ghost phase is the redirect in question. This cannot be added to the article without a citation. I search Google Books and most of the books I found that mention it were self published. The phrase seems to have appeared in the lest few decades, Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

seems like the redirect and usage of the term should be removed then. no good sources - no place in the encyclopedia! · · · Omnissiahs hierophant (talk) 14:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

even overdosed RF can cause this, main culprit is a combination of smart meters and PLC

... and which I possibly had illegally in our house (PLC is illegal to use where more than a single person is living in Germany). ... I had ALL of the shown symptoms. This PLC and also the smart meters need prohibitions as their dirty electricity is not and never properly shieldable. We protest for a reason as adjacent to EHS people, even people with disabilities in general do not stand or like the stricter guidelines of an illegal Wifi or even RF weaponry as both is meant to either far too quickly (strictly illegal Wifis) or even directly (for example ELF weapons such as HAARP, even this new 5G) outright KILL a person alongside with it. This is illegal activity to do with ones Wifi system and such a system will definitely need prohibitions as the killing of a person with a disability is strictly RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. --2001:16B8:5786:5B00:21B2:7DF0:5099:84E8 (talk) 09:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Ouchi's dose units

In the Notable cases section, the table gives Ouchi's dose in sieverts, even though the other doses are given in grays, and the preceding text states "as ARS is measured by a whole-body absorbed dose, the exposure column only includes units of gray (Gy)." It's being sorted assuming the a 1:1 ratio of sieverts to grays, which is possible but not certain. Exobiotic 💬 ✒️ 17:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)