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Flag in the infobox

I am seeing some battling about the flag in the infobox. Could we not put them both there? Perhaps with a note that the other does not have "official status"?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see continue edit warring about the official and unofficial/defacto flag. Is there any reason we can not include both? One labeled official and the other defacto? It would be nice to put this edit warring to rest.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:18, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to know about the symbols. Is the one in the middle Breton? I recognise the Basques on the top and the Normans on the bottom, and the article says those three groups settled it. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:6164:96C7:764C:41AC (talk) 13:57, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New France? Really?

The lead says the islands are the part of New France remaining in North america. Is this correct? France ceded them to GB in 1713. In 1763 France lost all of New France. As a seperate term of the 1763 treaty GB gave the islands to France. So, no, they are not remants of NF, they were given to France by GB as part of the fishing rights terms. Should I amend the article accordingly? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ping - Chipmunkdavis, TCssss34, Wee Curry Monster. I noticed some recent edit changes today and thought it worth asking for opinions. Aside from the issue of wheather the French Antilles are part of New France, is it correct to call these islands remnants of New France, as I asked above. I know the CIA site says they are but CIA is not bullet proof. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They were part of New France and they are the only part of New France remaining see [1],[2]. W C M_email 09:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The chain of events here is that the text originally read "It is the only remaining vestige of French sovereignty in North America", the accuracy of which depends on what is meant by "North America". It was changed on 15 August to add the note of the Antilles. A few days ago Hazhk noticed how ridiculous that sounded and changed it here. I thought it better to reword to address the meaning of the CIA source, which clearly referred to New France, given this is a relevant historical point rather than verging on trivia. Vandalism by TCssss34 brought it back to the somewhat ridiculous trivia prose, and Largoplazo encountered that version and reasonably removed it as weird trivia. I then restored my New France version.

I don't have a strong opinion on my specific inclusion (other than that it should be considered on the correct merits rather than the triva version), although I suspect it would be included in some way as part of a wider coverage of history in a more developed lead. Googling around sources do seem to refer to it as a remnant of New France, including ones pre-Wikipedia, and many even use the "North America" formulation that caused confusion here. CMD (talk) 10:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying, WCM, - and the sources are saying, (Nester, p3) - that being ceded to GB in 1715 did not stop them being still part of New France, just now New France under GB control? There are sources in the body below that appear to contradict Nestor, in that the islands were not retained in 1763 by France but rather ceded to France. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you CMD for that thorough explanation. My original question above predated the more recent stuff about the Antilles. I am still a little puzzled at apparant contradictions of sources and that it is beyond doubt that the islands became British in 1715. I notice that the fishing rights were not removed in 1715, so was it those rights (being a non-tangible part of NF) that were retained, and we refer to the islands as being retained (because they were an intergral part of the fishing rights), and over time people have focussed on the islands rather than the fishing rights, rights that were later given up. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm not saying anything of the sort, simply it's the only remaining territory that was part of New France that remains in North America. W C M_email 11:03, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll find out that the rest of North America also remains in North America. --82.35.81.189 (talk) 11:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane

Did Hurricane Fima strike Saint Pierre 72.229.11.148 (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Heading column needs updating - Prefect

The current Prefect differs in the text from the header. 151.224.6.11 (talk) 09:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated it in the text, thanks. Largoplazo (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

That was quick 2A02:C7C:F640:F700:9F95:273D:3505:426E (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]