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Merger
[edit]I've merged Republik Maluku Selatan into South Moluccas because the two articles were about the same subject. I could have merged them into the Republik Maluku Selatan instead, but chose not to because we don't (or shouldn't) have articles for "Republik Indonesia", "Bundesrepublik Deutschland", "Republique Francaise", etc. I was around in the 1970s when the South Moluccans were blowing up trains in the Netherlands, and I recall that they were called "South Moluccans". I don't think that Republik Maluku Selatan was in common use in English-language media. Kevintoronto 19:25, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- ... which is really the explanation I was looking for. I seen that you've gone and bypassed the redirects, too, so I guess we're set.
siafu 19:29, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)- I should have posted that explanation at the same time I merged, although not much time has elapsed. If you or someone else has a good reason for moving the merged article to Republik Maluku Selatan, it won't be difficult switching eveything over. There aren't that many links to the article.
Kevintoronto 19:35, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)- One more comment on the name. Around 1969, I came across some stamps printed with the name "Republik Maluku Selatan" and was unable to find a reference to them in any published stamp books (Scott's catalogs) or encyclopedias of the time. The stamps were not official (and could be fakes), so that might explain it, but all English sources did refer to the Moluccas, which I concluded was the same as Maluku. Of course, today that connection is trivial to make. I still have the stamps. The images are probably not copyrighted, so maybe I'll upload them.
-- Slowmover 17:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)- Also, the Wikipedia Style Guide recommends using English versions of place names where they are available. While an argument could be made that the RMS was an organization, and not a country, I don't agree. While I am not an expert in the RMS, I think that it would be more accurate to describe the RMS as a would-be country, and the organization fighting for its independence as the "RMS government-in-exile".
Kevintoronto 20:07, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)- I am a Moluccan, and I can tell you that it was an organization. Not all people of Moluccas supported them then, and most of people here reject the provocation. South Moluccas incident was a trial of rebellion, and not a country forming. Moluccas is clearly a part of Indonesia now and then. 19 Apr 2006 -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.120.116.249 (talk • contribs)
- No to the stamps! Opinions about what is likely to be copyright-protected are not a basis for use.
--Jerzy•t 03:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- Also, the Wikipedia Style Guide recommends using English versions of place names where they are available. While an argument could be made that the RMS was an organization, and not a country, I don't agree. While I am not an expert in the RMS, I think that it would be more accurate to describe the RMS as a would-be country, and the organization fighting for its independence as the "RMS government-in-exile".
- One more comment on the name. Around 1969, I came across some stamps printed with the name "Republik Maluku Selatan" and was unable to find a reference to them in any published stamp books (Scott's catalogs) or encyclopedias of the time. The stamps were not official (and could be fakes), so that might explain it, but all English sources did refer to the Moluccas, which I concluded was the same as Maluku. Of course, today that connection is trivial to make. I still have the stamps. The images are probably not copyrighted, so maybe I'll upload them.
- I should have posted that explanation at the same time I merged, although not much time has elapsed. If you or someone else has a good reason for moving the merged article to Republik Maluku Selatan, it won't be difficult switching eveything over. There aren't that many links to the article.
- The merge of South Moluccas into the accompanying RMS/RSM article was a fundamental error (largely independent of the current mess where the rest of the history, of the whole territory -- of which their claim is only part -- and the circumstances of the ethnic South Mollucans in Netherlands are treated as mere sideshows to the comic-opera failure of the government in exile. The full-size image [Map of the] South Mollucas (which the article's graphic labels "Green: Territory claimed by the Republic of South Moluccas", and reduces to the point of conveying only "between Sulewesi and New Guinea") clearly shows a near-circle enclosing "The main islands [:] Seram, Ambon, and Buru", and excluding not only the more northern Moluccas, but the rest of the southern Moluccas along the east and south sides of the Banda Sea (excluding, i.e., perhaps Seram Laut and Watebela, and surely Kai, Aru, Tanimbar, Babar, Leti, and Wetar, and, in that sea's main expanse, probably Banda and surely additional islands, further south, that are smaller than Leti).
For how, i'm just converting the Rdr to a 3-way equal Dab for a list of the islands, the (new) province, and the gov't-in-exile (and making any equivalent Rdrs point to the Dab).
--Jerzy•t 03:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
![[Map of the] South Mollucas](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/South_Moluccas_%28orthographic_projection%29.png){kind=link}
Article upgrade
[edit]In recent days I have attempted to upgrade the article by giving it more structure, eliminating gram errors, adding some recent info and moving the picture (flag) to the correct section. The South Moluccas being a geo part of the Indonesian islands and the RMS being an organisation related to this geo area. However when re-reading certain elements remain somewhat contentious. The often repeated self proclaimed/declared republic (RMS) sounds a tat biased as in a historic timeframe that would also be applicable for the Republic of Indonesia. But isnt used as such for RI. JOHN NATHANN 18:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
I recognized this too, thanks a lot for your effort. I'm myself a moluccan, I built most of the data here, however due to my english limitation it was hard to put all together in a nice writing. What you did is highly appreciated, this article is much better now. ( BlueCall 02:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC) )
The part of "self proclaimed/declared" seems important to me, to avoid the misunderstanding that can see South Moluccas Republic as victim of Indonesia's colonialism. It is necessary to stress the fact that this was an act of rebellion of small group of people, rather than a struggle of a nation. The history was clear that even most of Moluccans did not support this movement at that time. ( BlueCall 03:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC) )
Yr welcome. I have some friends who are fluent in Dutch and im told that in the Dutch language there appears to be a great amount of reference material (and further reading in general) available about this topic. I will also look for some historic pictures that cld enhance the articles cosmetics. JOHN NATHANN 15:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Grammar
[edit]Hi BlueCall, hope you like the images. I think I understand most amendments you made to the sentences (tue 27mar). But with regard to the grammar the changes are not quite right.
Original text:
+ The Moluccas were part of the Dutch East Indies, a colony of the Netherlands, since its conception in the 18th century.
When Indonesian revolutionary leaders declared the independent Republic of Indonesia, the south Moluccas were automatically considered part of that country.
Indonesia's war for independence lasted from 1945 until December 27, 1949
Changed text in bold:
+ The Moluccas were part of the Dutch East Indies, a colony of the Netherlands, since its conception in the 18th century.
When Indonesian revolutionary leaders declared the independent Republic of Indonesia, the south Moluccas were the part of that country, declared by its freedom fighters.
Indonesia's struggle for independence recognition lasted from 1945 until December 27, 1949
Suggest:
+ The Moluccas were part of the Dutch East Indies, a colony of the Netherlands, since its conception in the 18th century.
When Indonesian revolutionary leaders declared the independent Republic of Indonesia, the South Moluccas were automatically considered part of that country.
Indonesia's struggle for recognition of its independence lasted from 1945 until December 27, 1949
So the second sentence would stay the same as I think its says the same thing basically i.e. Sukarno considered the entire colony of the Dutch East Indies part of the RI. (Of course he even considered some parts of the former English colonies also part of RI e.g. English Borneo.)
The third sentence is enhanced in line with yr amendment. But without the grammar issue.
Krgds, JOHN NATHANN 19:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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Stamps
[edit]I too had some stamps with the name "Maluku Selatan" on them, in the mid-1970s. It was difficult then to determine where they were from. Does anyone know where they would have been printed and used? Badagnani 09:20, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
| “ | Does anyone know where they would have been printed and used? | ” |
- @Badagnani:
I can't answer this question but at least you can upload it to commons: first Azmi1995 (talk) 14:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Latest additions
[edit]I found the article very limited in scope and view on matters supposedly related to the south moluccas. As a south moluccan in diaspora I felt obliged to contribute. Amato, Peter PETE PATTI (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Pete, thanks for your additions, especially sourcing the statements. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 01:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I haven't yet read the new additions, but they are certainly great in terms of length. One important request for further improvement, is to actually provide in-line citations. A list of bibliography is a start but ultimately not helpful in wikipedia where reliability is an issue - particularly in potentially contentious articles such as this one. thanks! --Merbabu (talk) 02:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
For over 10 years ive been collecting anything published about the topic. This is just a sample of my library. In the Netherlands we actually have a Molluccan History Museum. The data and information about south moluccans available there is unsurpassed anywhere else in the world. I hope my humble additions help further improvement. Amato, Peter PETE PATTI (talk) 09:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Need for greater accuracy and objectivity
[edit]First of all, this entire entry seems to have been written by representatives of the Dutch government as a whitewash of the real history.
1. There are a number of references where the author categorizes Mollucan demands as "impossible" or "aims of these actions were not very clear”. That is a patronizing value judgment and a political position by the author. Instead of telling the reader what to think, the demands should simply be listed and spelled out, allowing the reader to decide whether they are impossible or unclear or not.
2. The article completely fails to accurately describe the Dutch post-WWII divide-and-rule policy of Balkanization by "Federalism", which was aimed at defeating the independence movement by promoting regional hatreds. This was not some debate over how best to organize government. It was similar to the demand by the British for the establishment of a Moslem state (Pakistan) in order to weaken if not thwart the independence movement. This is fundamental to understanding the context of the Dutch manipulation of the Molluccans.
3. Molluccan unemployment, etc. This is simply presented as a Molluccan problem, as if the Molluccans were not ghettoized and systematically discriminated against. The housing is described as military like "barracks". Perhaps a more apt description would be concentration or detention camps. What sort of freedom of movement did they have? Not much I assume. Let's not cover up. As for unemployment, the entry is written it can be understood to imply that perhaps the Molluccans were just lazy. ("The social situation left much to be desired, school attainments were low and unemployment high.") Why couldn't they find jobs from all those nice Dutch bosses?? Hmm?
4. The authors should refrain from pseudo-psychoanalytic political gibberish such as the following, "Moreover the isolated situation in the camps and neighbourhoods had given rise to a type of expressive leadership that could only manifest itself in opposing and confronting the CAZ and the Dutch in general." "expressive leadership" What?! Please, just the facts. Gee, why would the Moluccans want to oppose and confront the nice Dutch government, and the agency in charge of their detention? Was this written by the CAZ?
5. "Dutch government had already dropped the idea that the Moluccans were temporary residents, but had not been able to create a channel of communication through which to discuss and implement policy measures that opened a way to the future." Please, the poor Dutch government couldn't figure out how to talk to the Moluccans. This is a crass apology for the government's apartheid policy.
6. Patronizing and racist devaluing of non-Dutch. "Partly because the second generation was already much more oriented to Dutch society, partly as a result of the policy of affirmative action, participation in the labour market and in the school system developed positively after 1980." "A majority of this population identifies itself to a certain extent with the Moluccan islands where their families once came from, but this identification seems less and less an impediment to integration in Dutch society. In this sense the Moluccans have at last become 'normal immigrants'." (normal immigrants!!!!!!! How incredibly arrogant) So submission to the glorious Dutch culture is the secret to success??
7. “…celebrations of the RMS independence declaration frequently resulted in flared sentiments or even heavy riots in the streets of the capital.” Frequent?? I watched the video indicated in the footnote. I saw a peaceful march of families with small children, organized by marshalls with armbands to keep order. Then I saw a bunch of Dutch cops in riot gear, clearly a provocation given the whole history, engage with some kids who trashed some cars. Perhaps the author has never seen a "heavy riot."
8. The whole tone of the article is a laughable attempt to portray some martial culture as the reason behind the violent savage Moluccans. A clear lesson of history is that when people engage in acts of violence with broad support of their people, it only comes as a reaction to brutal repression. I have no doubt that the Dutch government and in particular the cops have been more than brutal to the Moluccans. How about a little analysis of that?
9. I happen to disagree with the damand for a RMS. Sadly, the Moluccans fell for a Dutch scam to use them against their own people. It is akin to the use of the Hmong by the United States against the Vietnamese, to this very day. Throughout colonial history, the colonial masters always sought to divide and rule. Inevitably, they used certain groups as military force against others in order to promote so-called "ethnic" or "religious" hatreds. Such was the case with the British using Moslems and Sikhs against Hindus, or the Belgians using the Hutu as the military force against Tutsi (which by the way the so-called Hutu and Tutsi were an invention of the Belgian colonialists). So, why don't you put together an article that approaches a modicum of objectivity on the nefarious role of the Dutch?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.233.117 (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
RMS new way
[edit]First
[edit]http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/indonesia-approves-moluccan-change-course
The Indonesian ambassador to the Netherlands, Yunus Effendi Habibie has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that Indonesia is pleased that the exiled Moluccan government is no longer striving for an independent state.
According to the ambassdor Moluccans already have autonomy, so the present situation need not be changed. He rejects full Moluccan independence. Mr Habibie's comments come in reponse to a decision by the new president of the Moluccan government-in-exile, John Wattilete's words that an independent Moluccan state is no longer its absolute priority.
Although independence is still the ultimate goal, he says he would be satisfied with a form of autonomy similar to that introduced in Aceh. "The most important thing is that Moluccans themselves are in charge."
The government of the self-styled Republik Maluku Selatan has been exiled in the Netherlands since 1966, following an attempt at independence in 1950 which was swiftly put down by the Indonesian army. During the 1970s they attempted to gain publicity for their cause with a number of violent actions in the Netherlands including occupations and the hijacking of a train.
John Wattilete takes over the RMS presidency in the autumn. He is the first to come from the second generation of Moluccans in the Netherlands and is regarded as more pragmatic than previous leaders.
Second
[edit]http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/moluccan-exiles-will-settle-autonomy
The new president of the Moluccan government-in-exile says an independent Moluccan state is no longer its absolute priority. In an interview with the Dutch daily Nederlands Dagblad, John Wattilete says he is prepared to place the future of the islands in the hands of the people and if they no longer wish to fight for independence from Indonesia then "he would accept the consequences".
However, he added that he was not advocating a referendum since Indonesia systematically suppresses supporters of independence. He called on the Indonesian and Dutch governments to work towards greater freedom of speech in the Moluccas. Although independence is still the ultimate goal, he says he would be satisfied with a form of autonomy similar to that introduced in Aceh. "The most important thing is that Moluccans themselves are in charge."
The government of the self-styled Republik Maluku Selatan has been exiled in the Netherlands since 1966, following an attempt at independence in 1950 which was swiftly put down by the Indonesian army. Many exiled Moluccans expected the Netherlands, as the ex-colonial power in Indonesia, to help press their case for independence. During the 1970s, disillusioned by the lack of action from successive Dutch governments, some exiles attempted to gain publicity for their cause with a number of violent actions including occupations and the hijacking of a train.
John Wattilete takes over the RMS presidency in the autumn. He is the first to come from the second generation of Moluccans in the Netherlands and is regarded as more pragmatic than previous leaders.
Reindra (talk) 08:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Rename?
[edit]Reading this article and then looking at its name the overlap with the geographical articles is striking. Also taking into account the sub-article on the RMS I feel this article could be renamed to: 'South Mollucan people'. Kind rgds, Karl
--KARL RAN (talk) 09:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm...
I seem to remember Makassar being the capital of the RMS at least at the start. Renaming it South Mollucan people would not be a good idea. Possibly some historical timeline of the development of the rebellion would be a better idea. The role of the KNIL seems quite confusing for a start.- [Oops sorry that was the State of Eastern Indonesia]
- [Oops sorry that was the State of Eastern Indonesia]
- ref: http://www.angelfire.com/rock/hotburrito/rms/helmi.html
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.59.120 (talk) 16:30 &:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
- The article is a mess. While I’m not actually questioning the quality (or otherwise) of the information, there is no clear scope for the article. Ie, what the hell is it about? The first sentence or two should clearly define the scope of an article and in this case we are told it’s about an area in Indonesia. But then we get into the history of the RMS. And then rambles off into Malukans in the Netherlands. And to top it all off, we have a list of terrorist activity in the Netherlands and photos of soccer players in the Netherlands.
- First, we need to work out what we are talking about. Then, we need to work out whether this means we need to split the article, create additional articles, or merge into other articles – to me it’s obvious we need a combination of these. And the article/s must clearly state what they are talking about within the first few sentences.
- It seems clear to me that the article is about:
- the history of the RMS, and
- Malukans in the Netherlands
- I suggest the article be split along these lines (or similar) with a little bit of overlap in each to provide context for each article.
- And, is there a reason why we are using the word “Molucca/n” and not “Maluku”?
--Merbabu (talk) 22:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)- Well thats more or less what I was thinking when I first read the article back in april, hence my earlier comment. I actually liked the info, but was really put off by the scope (or what the scope was supposed to be). Recently with the context request a few days back ive been adding to the article. But really without a clear scope i agree it stays messy. too many overlaps with other articles etc. have just looked into the page history and it looks like it was always supposed to be about the RMS, but somehow was named South Moluccas (see older talk page comments) which is in fact the same as geographical or administrative (South) Maluku. Later on RMS was singled out again as a separate article.
Anyway the bulk of the article i.e. the contributions by pete patti are quite good actually - and i guess that could be the basis for this article, but maybe headed along the line of merbabu's suggestion: 'south moluccan people in the netherlands.'
with regard to 'maluku' (selatan) vs (south) 'moluccas' - i guess 'moluccans' is the right/exact english translation of 'maluku people' - And most commonly used in the english speaking world. if i look at the (mostly dutch) references used by contributor pete patti the word 'zuid molukkers' is used which is also directly translated into 'south moluccans'.
agree a better header and intro will go a long way in cleaning up the mess. so thats one for starters, additionally much of the political sections at the end probably belong in the RMS article. w/rgd to my recent contributions I personally dont mind either way if my recent additions stay or are moved (or discarted).
--KARL RAN (talk) 23:54, 25 November 2010 (UTC)- OK, so on second thoughts, maybe this article can just be renamed "Republic of South Maluku" or "History of Republic of South Maluku". The text, particularly the opening parts, can be tweaked to suit - indeed, as you point out there is already Maluku (province) which can cover the contemporary administrative division. If the newly renamed RMS article gets much longer, maybe we can split out a second article about South Moluccans/Malukans which includes discussion of the diaspora in Netherlands. The existing article Maluku Islands and the individual island articles can cover topics such as ecology and demographics. And to reiterate, I wasn't necessarily critising the quality of info - rather the unclear manner in which it was presented.
In summary, i suggest we change this article name and focus to "Republic of South Maluku". (and I will check my significant number of English texts on indonesia for the "Molucca" and "Maluku" usage - but from memory, they use "Maluku".
--Merbabu (talk) 02:47, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK, so on second thoughts, maybe this article can just be renamed "Republic of South Maluku" or "History of Republic of South Maluku". The text, particularly the opening parts, can be tweaked to suit - indeed, as you point out there is already Maluku (province) which can cover the contemporary administrative division. If the newly renamed RMS article gets much longer, maybe we can split out a second article about South Moluccans/Malukans which includes discussion of the diaspora in Netherlands. The existing article Maluku Islands and the individual island articles can cover topics such as ecology and demographics. And to reiterate, I wasn't necessarily critising the quality of info - rather the unclear manner in which it was presented.
- Well thats more or less what I was thinking when I first read the article back in april, hence my earlier comment. I actually liked the info, but was really put off by the scope (or what the scope was supposed to be). Recently with the context request a few days back ive been adding to the article. But really without a clear scope i agree it stays messy. too many overlaps with other articles etc. have just looked into the page history and it looks like it was always supposed to be about the RMS, but somehow was named South Moluccas (see older talk page comments) which is in fact the same as geographical or administrative (South) Maluku. Later on RMS was singled out again as a separate article.
December 2010
[edit]I’d like to work on sorting these articles out over the next week. I propose making this article about the South Maluku people, and the other article can remain focussed on the RMS. I have started shifting info from this page to the RMS page. This page should be moved to South Maluku people or similar, and the lead re-written. While there must be some overlap to maintain coherency, it should be strategic and not just repeated info pasted into two or more articles.
--Merbabu (talk) 02:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me! However I wont be online much this month. Traveling home (through dodgy snowstorms) for the holiday season etc. So will need some more time to contribute. Only remark for now: Most ref links in both articles use South Moluccas iso South Maluku. E.g. http://www.rnw.nl/english/category/tags-english/john-wattilete , including the UNPO website and their own (FKM/RMS) website. I'll try to be back (online) soon. Krgds and holiday greetings, Karl
--KARL RAN (talk) 17:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Merger Proposal
[edit]I propose that Republic of South Moluccas be merged into Republic of South Maluku. They have precisely the same subject, and therefore 100% overlap. Although there is information on the "Moluccas" page that is missing on the "Maluku" page, it appears that "Maluku" has more comprehensive coverage of the subject. Adding the information from "Moluccas" should not cause any size issues "Maluku," and will probably help give some better coverage of more recent events. Sutematsu (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Could you please read the section above? There is already quite some discussion about these articles. Yes there are a few issues, but that doesn't not involve merging or deleting articles. Welcome to wikipedia by the way - you're 5th day here. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 08:16, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
2011
[edit]not too shabby. quite like the article actually. the indistinct use of maluku vs moluccas puts the reader a bit off though. Dr.H.
dont think its a stub either, DrH.
Maluku separatist alliance with Libya under Gaddafi and the Free Ach Movement and the Free Papua Movement
[edit]Colonel Gaddafi supported the Maluku seperatists, Free Papua Movement and the Aceh separatists.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
the time, the Libyan government was reportedly providing military or other support to the East Timor Liberation Movement, the Kanak Socialist National Liberation Front (New Caledonia), and the Free Papua Movement (Irian Jaya) as well as to Muslim guerrillas in the Philippines.
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COLONEL GADDAFI'S shadowy international revolutionary organisation Mathaba, established in the Libyan capital of ...Hassan di Tiro himself makes the crucial decisions, and runs a personal network of contacts with the liberation movement leaders Libya supports, among them Jacob Prai of the OPM (Free Papua Movement) of West Papua and Yann Ce- tene Uregei of New Caledonia's Kanak radical faction,
Page 120
In the past year Gaddafi's agents have offered arms and cash to rebels in Papua New Guinea, encouraged an aboriginal separatist movement in Australia, shipped weapons to dissidents in New Caledonia and tried to open an office in the
More sources
[edit]http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801
the time, the Libyan government was reportedly providing military or other support to the East Timor Liberation Movement, the Kanak Socialist National Liberation Front (New Caledonia), and the Free Papua Movement (Irian Jaya) as well as to Muslim guerrillas in the Philippines.
Title Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59 Publisher Pacific Publications., 1988 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Sep 15, 2008
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COLONEL GADDAFI'S shadowy international revolutionary organisation Mathaba, established in the Libyan capital of Tripoli and dispensing funds to liberation movements around the world, is run by a most unlikely radical. Tunku Mohammed Hassan di Tiro, a Sumatran prince, fervent Muslim and bitter opponent of Indonesia, is the chairman of Mathaba's political committee.... Hassan di Tiro himself makes the crucial decisions, and runs a personal network of contacts with the liberation movement leaders Libya supports, among them Jacob Prai of the OPM (Free Papua Movement) of West Papua and Yann Ce- tene Uregei of New Caledonia's Kanak radical faction,
In an exclusive interview with Pacific Islands Monthly, at his headquarters in Tripoli, he outlined Mathaba's organisation and aims for the Asia Pacific region. The Mathaba Against Imperialism, Racism, Zionism and Fascism, to give the front its
the various independence movements active across the Indonesian Archipelago, including his own Aceh Sumatra Liberation Front. "We are making advances against Indonesia, both on the ground and diplomatically, with Fretilin (East Timor Liberation Front), the OPM, the Republic of the South Moluccas; we are all one.
Title Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10 Publisher Pacific Publications, 1988 Original from the University of Virginia Digitized Apr 8, 2009
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html
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In the past year Gaddafi's agents have offered arms and cash to rebels in Papua New Guinea, encouraged an aboriginal separatist movement in Australia, shipped weapons to dissidents in New Caledonia and tried to open an office in the
Rajmaan (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Hasan di Tiro's writings against Indonesia and Javanese
[edit]Hassan called Indonesian rule over Aceh and other places like East Timor, West Papua and the Moluccas as Javanese domination.
Tiro engaged in racist rhetoric against Javanese, calling them "barbarians", "stupid", "insolent", relatives of monkeys, and insinuated that they were descended from Pithecanthropus erectus.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT126#v=onepage&q&f=false
Hasan put the Javanese on the same level as the Dutch as colonialists
Title The Price of Freedom: The Unfinished Diary, Volume 1 The Price of Freedom: The Unfinished Diary, National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra. Information Dept Author Hasan Muhammad Tiro Contributor National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra. Information Dept Publisher Information Department, National Liberation Front Acheh Sumatra
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- Was the above by Rajmaan? Sorry but none of your links seem to work anymore. I did a search and here is a working link to what I believe is being referenced by practically all the links above: https://tengkudhaniiqbal.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/the-price-of-freedom-teungku-hasan-di-tiro.pdf (Hasan di Tiro's 'The Price of Freedom').
- Probably best to remove all the above links that don't work. Also, it would have been far far better if the above commenter had simply copied in the relevant quotes instead of links! 129.78.233.211 (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Sources on fighting
[edit]http://uca.edu/politicalscience/dadm-project/asiapacific-region/indonesiaaceh-1949-present/
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/01/indo-j06.html
http://reliefweb.int/report/indonesia/aceh-rebels-kill-six-indonesian-soldiers-ambush
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/29297
http://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/891
http://www.sacw.net/Wmov/RCoomaraswamyOnHonour.html
http://www.reocities.com/CapitolHill/4120/unletter.html
http://home.snafu.de/watchin/Coomaraswamy.htm
Rajmaan (talk) 03:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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[edit]I just removed the letters "RMS" from the section headings as they are unnecessary as it is clear what they are referring to without them.
A demographics section would be good if possible to find information on it, such as population stats, ethnic groups as well as de jure and de facto languages. Maybe also a a geography section too. Some of the content could probably be made into a Republic of South Maluku government-in-exile article as parts are out of the scope of the former unrecognised state.
Uamaol (talk) 13:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
the dove species in the emblem of muluku.
[edit]"pombo" is not a specific type of dove but simply the local word for "dove" source: [1] "In the North Moluccas ‘pombo’ is a common name for all types of Columbidae"
the only white dove i could find was the "Torresian imperial pigeon" which has the same living area as stated in the article. it is also relatively large making it a good candidate for an national emblem. [2]
i have not yet however found any source specifying the type of bird.
Wubbelflup (talk) 13:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC) Wubbelflup 15:07 25 april 2020
References
Puppet government?
[edit]To add to this article: was the term "puppet" government ever applied to the Republic of South Maluku (i.e., puppets of the Dutch former colonists)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- "Puppet" means that there's some "indirect" role of Dutch government toward politicians of Republic of Southern Moluccas. To this date, Dutch government never declared their involvement in developing and raising R.M.S.'s government Azmi1995 (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
To add to article
[edit]To add to this article: the Republic of South Maluku's fine postage stamps (labeled "Maluku Selatan"), which were issued in the 1950s. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hello IP, if you could provide WP:Reliable sources discussing these topics, they stand a good chance of being included in the article. Best, CMD (talk) 06:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
mena muria
[edit]to be simply concluded, both of "mena" and "muria" can't be found in indonesian dictionary. hence, it's not indonesian word. the best bet for those words must be ambonese malay Azmi1995 (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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