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I was going to add something like this..

"It is a very popular location to commit suicide."

..but it looks a bit crass. Can anyone think of better wording? Mintguy 02:12 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC)

I've stuck something in, but its basically what you've written above with the word "notorious" inserted, which seems to soften the blow, as it were, at least a little. I'm not sure there's any delicate way to talk about suicide, though. --Camembert

I live in Sussex and know of two people who commited suicide there. Someone once told me that they have an ambulance there all day on Christmas day as it's the most popular day to jump, but I don't know if this is true. I do know that a number of people have jumped from a spot which results in you landing on a ledge, where you will probably sustain some broken bones but are unlikely to die. Mintguy

Have changed the phrasing slightly to reflect the Samaritans guidelines on reporting of suicide [1], and added in some stuff about the new chaplaincy team. Eve x.

Have taken out the sentence about the suicde of the ex-Easeenders actor ! Was this really necessary ? SICK or what ?

You took out the first half of the next sentance too, I'm assuming that was a mistake! I've added that bit back in, hope that was ok. If you did actually mean to remove the bit about the chaplaincy team then lets discuss it! I have no opinion either way on the Eastenders actor (never heard of him to be honest), but I think the chaplaincy team stuff should probably stay, unless everyone else disagrees? Eve

As much as I like the picture just added. I'm not sure it's appropriate for this page. The cable-car thing looks too scary. LOL. Mintguy

Argh! Different sources now suggest 1828[2], 1831 (Beachy Head article), and 1832[3] as the date of construction for the Belle Tout lighthouse! What's going on??? It may have taken more than a year to build, but can anyone find a reliable source for the period of construction? I'm not sure where to look, myself. -- Oliver P. 04:19 Feb 12, 2003 (UTC)

I visited the UK in 98/99 and I'm surprised there's no mention in this article of the terrific winds you get at Beachy head, nor of a part of it falling into the sea (I read that in the newspaper when I was over there). -- AleatoricConsonance

Hmm, bits of it fall into the sea all the time (which is why it remains white) I sort of mentioned this in downland hmmm --Davelane 17:48, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No mention of Engels? If I remember rightly his ashes were scattered off this place.

This page has not been touched for a while and I've started an edit. But can someone pse tell me why the word "edit" appears under the text in the section about lighthouses? Mikeo1938 22:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, i'm really not sure how this works!! But here goes. Please can you seasoned editors guide me?

I have been set a homework for my Masters degree to edit a page on Wikipedia. As my pet place is Beachy Head I guess that's a good place to start. Plus, I have researched the area enough for a 4,000 word essay. But you all seem to have a passion for BH as well and I don't want to step out of line. Is there any way I can post extra details about the lighthouse and maybe the eerie myths that surround the headland? Or maybe just a mention of the countryside centre or the peace path.

Please guide me, just navigating all the dots, slashes, brackets and wiki language is throwing me. Thanks guys --sheila 22:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Sheila--sheila 22:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See what I mean... I even messed this bit up!!! --sheila 22:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)SHEILA[reply]

Hello: Yes, of course it's OK to amend the article. However, remember to cite your references. References can be tricky to insert so experiment in a sandbox and always preview before saving the page. Good luck with the formatting. Elsewhere I once accidentally deleted half a page! However, the damage was repaired. Also, information should be factual and so it would be better to leave out the eerie myths. Mikeo1938 18:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eastbourne

Shouldn't it be mentioned that part of Beachy Head is technically within the borough boundary of Eastbourne, just like the Hastings Country Park is within Hastings? Blackwave...... (talk) 12:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Devil's Chimney

I note the recent revision by 86.31.47.209 ... but am sorry to see that the name of the famous feature ... "Devil's Chimney" ... has now gone from the article. I do not have access to reference material at present; could it be that the Devil's Chimney had collapsed even before 2001? If not, I would like to see the term reinstated along with the edit by 86.31.47.209. Alternatively, if the D.C. collapsed earlier, can someone pse check and add a date in order that this familiar term be restored. Mikeo1938 (talk) 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

highest chalk sea cliff in Britain

I understand that the cliff in Hawaii is the highest sea cliff in the world, but could Beachy Head be the highest CHALK sea cliff in the world?

Trying to find out which country has the most chalk cliffs or the highest chalk cliffs on Wikipedia is a nightmare, no one seems to know. =(

--90.211.195.188 (talk) 12:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide

With regard to the addition of 27 June 2010: of course, like any suicide, the death of David Scarboro, was a tragedy. However, I dispute the inclusion of individual cases in this general article about Beachy Head. The death last year of the couple who jumped with the body of their infant son in a rucksack was removed for this reason. See revision of 9 Sep 2009. Mikeo1938 (talk) 21:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plea for citations

So far, the article about Beachy Head is well served with in-line citations: it’s a pity to spoil it with unsubstantiated details about films and other media which can easily be obtained via Google. (Citations from other Wiki pages are not enough: see [[4]]

The following link is helpful when creating in-line citations. [[5]] Mikeo1938 (talk) 12:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural References (Music)

I would like to check with others on here if the part about film, television and literature mentions might be expanded with musical references. Throbbing Gristle's album 20 Jazz Funk Greats cover photograph was taken at Beachy Head. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_Jazz_Funk_Greats And the recent album by Gatto Fritto has a track called Beachy Head as the final piece of music on it. I am convinced there must be more. And including such a paragraph might shed light on the broader cultural impact of the place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.23.229.11 (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment above is by me. It was about time I signed up. Simonhold

Another musical reference you may wish to include (expressed in an appropriately "neutral" fashion, of course): The third album of the Christian Celtic rock band Iona, titled "Beyond These Shores", contains what is in my opinion a beautiful, dramatic, sad song, titled "Beachy Head", about the suicides that take place there. You can listen to it here. RogerMateer (talk) 17:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Beachy Head and Lighthouse, East Sussex, England - April 2010 crop horizon corrected.jpg to appear as POTD soon

Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Beachy Head and Lighthouse, East Sussex, England - April 2010 crop horizon corrected.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 24, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-11-24. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng {chat} 19:00, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of the day

Beachy Head is a chalk headland on the south coast of England, close to the town of Eastbourne in the county of East Sussex. The cliff there is the highest chalk sea cliff in Britain, rising to 162 m (530 ft) above sea level. The peak allows views of the south east coast from Dungeness to the east, to Selsey Bill in the west.Photo: David Iliff

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Listing of individual suicides

Over the centuries, countless people have gone over the the cliff at Beachy Head. It's just not reasonable to cite individual cases. Wikipedia is not a newspaper which reports recent events. Mikeo1938 (talk) 17:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Literary references

Apparently we block the Poetry Atlas site. Pity. I searched it for "Beachy Head". It contains useful info to add, namely poems by Kipling and Hardy and others. Perhaps someone else may care to flesh out the literary section. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 09:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Accidental citation deletion

I accidentally removed the Luther citation while adding an entry for an episode of black mirror. im an inexperienced editor, can anyone tell me how to fix it? MeshBlair 13:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeshBlair (talk • contribs)

Done.Charles (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide reference

Whilst I fully appreciate the history etc may make reference to deaths correct, I wish all reference to be removed as it becomes an unnecessary advert to persons wishing to die leading them to travel across the world to do so. Please allow it's removal to aid those on the top trying to get the help they need. 14TAS (talk) 11:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate what you are trying to do here, however Wikipedia is not censored. Because Wikipedia requires reliable sources we are not reporting anything new so this information is already out there on the internet. Removing it from one website doesn't change the fact that the information is available. Greyjoy^talk 12:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate what you say Greyjoy.

However change has to start somewhere. At the moment this page is top hit for su.×÷de if it didn't mention S then it would not be there and would not highlight the area. Other sites will be asked and references may be reduced. As a trusted reference site wouldn't it be good to lead by example and potentially help sav lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14TAS (talk • contribs) 00:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with removing this material. It is both a notable fact about Beachy Head, and something for which Beachy Head is notable. As for claiming that "this page is top hit for suicide", I would be interested to know what search engine that is on. I just tried Google, and the top result was the number for the Samaritans, followed by the Wikipedia article Suicide, three news stories, a link to a Samaritans page, and then a link to NHS Choices "Help for Suicidal thoughts". This article did not appear in the first 10 pages of Google results (I did not look further than that). Our article mentions the chaplaincy team, the training given to taxi drivers and pub workers, and the Samaritans. DuncanHill (talk) 00:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan I would be greatly to know in what country you are as your Google results are different to mine in UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14TAS (talk • contribs) 07:13, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the UK. DuncanHill (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Search suicide spot Wiki is second or third with clear title indication. Would you be able to swap word suicide with self caused deaths or similar so the main word isn't there to help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14TAS (talk • contribs) 09:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please follow the advice given to you on tour talk page to indent your posts - failing to do so makes it much harder for others to follow discussions. I searched suicide spot as you suggested, this article did not appear on the first two pages of results. We do not censor Wikipedia, suicide is the normal English word, and the material is I think dealt with appropriately in this article. DuncanHill (talk) 00:21, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

The reference link (18) to The Times newspaper is a dead link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.168.152 (talk) 07:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Poor choice as a suicide location

A local doctor pointed out to me that in actual fact Beachy Head is a very poor choice for a painless suicide, since the lower part is decidedly non-vertical (scree etc.).

I don't have a reference since this was a private communication, but if something like this could be worked into the article it might possibly dissuade people from jumping at this particular spot which is both unwise from their point of view and presents the emergency services with an unpleasant and hazardous recovery task. MarkMLl (talk) 17:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Possible meteorite finds

Market harboroug museum claims to have meteorites from the area:

https://www.harboroughmuseum.org.uk/meteorites/