Talk:Niger

2023 Nigerien coup d'état

I added the WP:CET 'Current Event' template since there appears to be an ongoing coup. There is a 2023 Nigerien coup d'état page documenting the coup. P37307 (talk) 08:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vif12vf

Niger is not a republic but a military dictatorship. Indeed, a republic is, and I quote: "a form of government

form of government with a constitution and whose representatives are elected by the people for a fixed term", but in the case of Niger 🇳🇪, the military came to power by force (they were not elected by the people and, in addition, there are no representatives of the people, since the national assembly has been dissolved). Consequently, this is not a republic... France-Pt9301 (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

this is not a republic do you have sources to back this claim? M.Bitton (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton 2958009 [1]https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3552918/us-says-july-ouster-of-nigers-government-was-a-coup/] [2]https://www.europe1.fr/international/niger-la-france-ne-reconnait-pas-les-autorites-issues-du-putsch-4196311]. Here are a few sources. The 3 countries cited in these sources (France, the United States and the United Kingdom) do not recognise the military as legitimate authorities and describe this putsch as a "coup d'état". Beyond that, the Wikipedia page for the National Assembly of Niger (National Assembly (Niger)) indicates that this body is currently suspended and unless you have sources to prove the contrary, I have not seen any articles saying that there was a parliament (Transitional Assembly or Senate) representative of the people of Niger, which is one of the characteristics of the republic. From that moment on, Niger is no longer a republic. France-Pt9301 (talk) 22:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

None of the sources that you presented supports your assertion. M.Bitton (talk) 22:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

M.Bitton On the contrary, my sources confirm that the military putsch in Niger is considered a coup d'état by the international community. Here is another source ([3]https://reliefweb.int/report/niger/niger-rights-risk-military-coup) other than the Wikipedia article which confirms that the parliament which represented the citizens of Niger was dissolved, as was the Constitution. A republic is characterised by the fact that its citizens are represented by the legislature and therefore by parliaments. So unless you have a source proving that the military junta has set up a Transitional Assembly or a Senate, yes, it's a military dictatorship and not a republic. France-Pt9301 (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Your assertion (in green) is not confirmed by the sources that you presented. On the other hand, reliable sources describing Niger as a republic can be cited ad nauseam. M.Bitton (talk) 22:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton First of all, I don't see where you see green. Secondly, on the contrary, the sources I cited confirm my statement and confirm that the international community considers the 2023 military putsch in Niger to be a coup d'état. Furthermore, the military who came to power illegally dissolved the National Assembly, as detailed in the Wikipedia page of the National Assembly of Niger, which I invite you to reread, as well as this source (https://reliefweb.int/report/ niger/niger-rights-risk-military-coup) and a Republic is, I quote: a mode of organization of a country in which power is exercised by the population or its representatives according to the Wikipedia article and numerous dictionaries. Apart from the National Assembly having been suspended, the people are no longer represented and the Republic is no longer... But perhaps you have a source to prove the opposite to me? I would like to see your articles saying that Niger is a Republic.... France-Pt9301 (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Let me highlight it for you again.

this is not a republic

Just use your favourite search engine to search for "Niger is a Republic" and help yourself to countless reliable sources.

Hope that helps because I don't intend on repeating what was said here and on your talk page. M.Bitton (talk) M.Bitton (talk) 23:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton I typed "Niger is a Republic" and the articles I came across date from the time when Bazoum was in power so not updating... Instead of bothering to scroll for hours I'm going to ask for the opinions of other Internet users: @Doug Weller,@BTBG,@Melecie,@Clyde H. Mapping, @EditorOnOccasion, @Aminabzz, @Cactus Ronin, @MarcioRob, @P37307, @Cirkill, @Joshb92004, @Dixmakr, @Gilimi, @Szyign, @Pdhadam, @Jochem van Hees , @Claraaa2611, @Edward-Woodrow, @IvanScrooge98, @Escj123, @Adxm e12, @Jjj1238, @OxmiThree, @Ira Leviton, @JESCFan11, @Smthngnw, @Materialscientist, @Tastilazo, What do you think of this debate? For my part I think that in the infobox, in the type of government part, the word Republic must be removed and replaced by Military dictatorship because the military junta came to power illegally through a coup d'état and that it dissolved not only the Constitution but also the National Assembly (as detailed in the Wikipedia article on the National Assembly of Niger). There are therefore no longer any representatives of the Nigerien population in the country's politics and I am not aware of the creation of a parliament representing citizens as was the case in Mali where the military junta currently in power power created the Transitional Assembly. However, as the Wikipedia page for the Republic specifies, one of the characteristics of the Republic is that it is "a method of organizing a country in which power is exercised by the population or its representatives". Therefore, I do not consider Niger (led by the military junta) as a Republic but would like to have your opinion on it since Mr. Bitton is a supporter of the Republic. Having other opinions will allow us to decide. France-Pt9301 (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@France-Pt9301 I don't think it is appropriate to cold tag everyone who has ever talked on a page before with a new topic. P37307 (talk) 00:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@P37307 Technically you can also read the discussions and take part in the debate ... France-Pt9301 (talk) 05:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

If I wanted to take part in a debate or discussion, I will follow (star) a page and keep tabs on it. It's not your decision to bring others into a discussion that they weren't apart of. You were in a discussion with another editor about whether it was under a dictatorship or republic after several edits and reverts and wanted to make a significant classification change based on your opinion. Also, Wikipedia:NOTFORUM they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article. Also, we don't edit on opinions. Wikipedia:OR or original research. You were near an edit war and wanted to bring in other editors into it on this talk page. P37307 (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Your WP:OR aside, you seem to think that Wikipedia is a newspaper. M.Bitton (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@M.Bitton I don't see what a newspaper has to do with wanting to correct a typo that crept into this article ... 🫥 France-Pt9301 (talk) 06:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Don't know why I got pinged... Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

"#MeToo" Aminabzz (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aminabzz ,@Edward-WoodrowI've sent it to you so that you can read the exchanges on this discussion page and give your opinion ^^ France-Pt9301 (talk) 05:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I just had a topic regarding Nigerien flag in this Talk page. Aminabzz (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@France-Pt9301 Niger is a republic under a military junta, the constitution Niger 2010 (rev. 2017) is still in effect therefore the state is same but government has changed. Cactus Ronin (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cactus Ronin The 2010 Constitution was suspended by the military junta on July 28, 2023, at the same time as the National Assembly was dissolved ( here's a source to confirm my point: [4]https://www.reuters.com/article/niger-securite-macron-idFRKBN2Z80LR] ) France-Pt9301 (talk) 06:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@France-Pt9301 You seem to be right, but, disprove of an evidence if not disproval of a statement. There is no active removal of word "republique" anywhere i could find, unless an otherwise action is taken the country is republic.

Suggest an alternative, if they are not a republic what they are? Monarchy? Theocracy? Anarchy? Military juntas, with exception of Greece, Spain and Italy, were almost always formed on the framework of republic. This did not dissolve republic, it did damaged the democratic institutions yes but unless you prove military is against use of word republic and suggests a new type of state then we wpuld reach an agreement here. Cactus Ronin (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cactus RoninIt's not a theocracy, since there is no state religion. Islam is certainly in the majority in Niger, but that doesn't make it the state religion. Nor is it anarchy, since even if there are no longer any institutions representing the people, there is still a head of state and a prime minister appointed by the latter. On the other hand, Niger's current political regime can be described as a military dictatorship, in the sense that the military took power illegally (not through democratic elections, but by force), and that the population's representative institutions and the constitution (which made the country a republic) have been suspended. Moreover, just because the military junta in Niger says it's a republic doesn't mean it is, otherwise North Korea 🇰🇵 is a republic... 2A02:8440:340A:BC23:5851:F2E0:7D2A:6145 (talk) 10:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@2A02:8440:340A:BC23:5851:F2E0:7D2A:6145 North Korea IS a republic per nom, a republic does not mean it is democratic. Cactus Ronin (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

elaboration: yes indeed republics are tend to be more democratic than, lets say, monarchies but not all republics are democracies and many of them are flawed democracies. Saddam's Iraq and Gaddafi's Libya were republics. Cactus Ronin (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

France-Pt9301 has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Doug Weller talk 08:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

In the lead, "After the military coup in 2010, Niger became a multi-party state."

Is this sentence outdated? Niger is now in another period of military rule. The lead should be updated to reflect current events. We might add something like "until 2023" or something. There are probably better ways to word this.

Also, "three periods of military rule" in the previous sentence. Is it now four? Update accordingly if needed. 108.160.120.130 (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe the first sentence is outdated, it reads fine and is factually correct. It would be worth adding a short sentence afterwards mentioning the recent coup and at least linking to the article on the present crisis but I don't believe enough information is yet available to state that Niger is no longer a "multi-party state": activities by political parties have been suspended but not political parties themselves, and with the situation continuing to develop any change here may need regular updates.

Likewise on your latter point, this may be subject to rapid change and (in my opinion) a "period" of military rule implies a reasonable length of time. However input from any editors that have contributed to articles during a similar crisis in the past would be helpful. EditorOnOccasion (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The MIDI file I added for national anthem is temporary

I am well aware that the MIDI file is in poor quality. I do not know music theory and my expertise is history and linguistics, and not music, therefore the file I compiled is not in very good shape.

Therefore, until a better quality file is added the file should stay there. But I hope it is not for long time because it decreases the page's encyclopedic quality. You are free to remix and edit the file (as it is licensed under CC 3.0 by original creator.). Cactus Ronin (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Flag

Is the ratio of flag correct? In the French article the flag is longer. Aminabzz (talk) 22:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Covered in the article "Flag of Niger". 108.160.120.91 (talk) 08:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

The Niger capitalization

shouldn't be the term 'The Niger' with T capitalized? 83.168.137.1 (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Name Pronunciation

The opening has "The standard pronunciation in English is /niːˈʒɛər/," Since when and "standard" according to what? It's always been pronounced the same as the river, NYE-jer, in the US, until a few in the media recently.Venqax (talk) 21:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

All I can tell you is that the English-speaking expatriate community in Niamey is divided in the pronunciation of the name. Most of us use the French pronunciation /niːˈʒɛər/, including the U.S. embassy. Some English-speakers do use the NYE-jer pronunciation, and that's fine. When I'm in the U.S., I hear a wild variety of pronunciations, but usually something close to Nye-JEER. What source do you have that it's "always been pronounced the same as the river, NYE-jer, in the US"? seberle (talk) 22:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

The current article incorrectly states that Hausa is the official language of Niger. However, the official language of Niger is French. I request the following phrases to be replaced: "Jamhuriyar Nijar" be replaced with "République du Niger", the motto "Zumunci, Aiki, Ci gaba" with "Fraternité, Travail, Progrès" , the anthem be replaced from "Girmama Uban (Hausa)" to "L'honneur de la patrie" and lastly the official languages be changed from "Hausa" to "French". There are no credible sources that state Hausa being the official language of Niger.

YourAverageBenghazian (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Already done This change was reverted shortly after your request was posted. Jamedeus (talk) 22:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023

Please change the page image from  to  for consistency with other country articles. Basically this means that whenever you look up Niger in the search bar the flag pops up instead of the mapped green Niger land, thanks. 97.77.64.90 (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. what page image? if you're talking about a preview image on a search engine, we don't control that. Cannolis (talk) 21:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cannolis I think the request is for Wikipedia's own search bar, where the preview image when typing "Niger" gives the map when other countries/regions usually give the flag (though after checking a few it looks like Nepal uses the national emblem for some reason?) Placeholderer (talk) 02:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I asked at the Teahouse and am told that the image selection is automatic, and that for Niger the big coat of arms next to the flag in the infobox probably makes the flag small enough that the map is chosen instead for the preview, so there's not much to be done about it Placeholderer (talk) 21:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—102.164.97.59 (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article, and they appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to supply a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Untitled

scramble created the current 'african nations' [5] 103.137.93.103 (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)