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(I have read this book. I know that Carmilla: The Return is a proper sequel of a re-telling of the original Carmilla.)

- Montréalais 15:54, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The "Vampire Hunter 'D': Bloodlust" section is nonsensical

"The animated film Vampire Hunter 'D': Bloodlust includes a character named Carmilla who is the lingering spirit of a long-dead yet very powerful vampire countess who continues to rule her castle. This is one of a very few movies that portrays a vampire's spirit as having not only the capacity to physically manifest itself, but also the ability to reasonably and dynamically interact with living beings (i.e. one could carry on a normal conversation with her)."

What does this really have to do with the Carmilla story beyond appropriating the name?

Is Carmilla a "lingering spirit" or a vampire?

Does "This is one of a very few movies that portrays a vampire's spirit as having not only the capacity to physically manifest itself, but also the ability to reasonably and dynamically interact with living beings (i.e. one could carry on a normal conversation with her)." have any meaning outside the context of the plot of Vampire Hunter 'D': Bloodlust? At the least the assertion of vampires being unable to carry on conversations displays massive ignorance of almost the totality of vampire-themed literature.

Maybe it is enough to note the referencing of Carmilla in Vampire Hunter... here. Much of this information may belong somewhere else (like the entry for Vampire Hunter).

Having seen Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust a few days ago, I'm quite certain the character of "Carmilla" is just a re-named Elizabeth Báthory. In the movie, this character is refered to as the "Bloody Lady," lives in the Castle Csejthe, and has the legends of Bathory associated with her. I don't think she has much in common with Carmilla, other than they are both female vampires. 69.199.220.88

Samuel Taylor Coleridge's "Christabel"

Coleridge, in "Christabel" depicted a female vampire with lesbian overtones in 1798, long before Le Fanu. I am sure Le Fanu was aware of the Coleridge poem. Prairie Dog

......................................... A tv version of Carmilla starred Meg Tilly in the late 1980's/early 1990's.

Vampires Versus Zombies

Seems I have received a POV card for calling the film 'Vampires versus Zombies' 'shoddy'. However I defy anybody who has seen it to describe it as anything else. What is your opinion of this non-masterwork (POV!) of budget cinema? Be honest...Colin4C 18:41, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some calm critical reflections on the place of this film in cinema history : The critics rage: Vampires versus Zombies Colin4C 21:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We're well aware that Vampires vs. Zombies sucked mightily. However this is not the IMDb and vandalisation does not make you cool in the eyes of your e-peers. Mr Rubino 22:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Accusing other editors of 'vandalisation' does not make you 'cool', either, in the eyes of your e-peers. Colin4C 09:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Editorials are not references. This is a place for fact. Mr Rubino 02:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Fact' in whose eyes? All 'facts' are interpretations. Read Nietzche...Or the Pre-Socratics: 'man is the measure of all things'. There is no 'view from nowhere', everything is mediated through the human consciousness, physics, chemistry, film interpretation, wikipedia, - the lot.. (read Descartes...). Colin4C 17:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very verbose way of saying nothing relevant or interesting. Your constant pushing of the issue proves nothing other than that this isn't just an opinion, but an agenda. And wikipedia is no place for rabid fanboys or rabid haters to attempt to convince us how many people agree with them and why they should be allowed to be inflammatory trolls. You want philosphy? Here: Just because people agree with you doesn't make it worthy of being in an encyclopedia. 24.228.54.78 11:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is this? Flame-bait day? I don't see why a referenced critical appreciation of a film, work of art or whatever should be regarded as POV. I'll have a look at the Citizen Kane page to see whether there are any commendatory POVs on that particular film and report back. Colin4C 12:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mircalla Karnstein

Mircalla's annoying habit of rearranging her name was later copied by Alucard, Troll 2 (Nilbog), and Howling III (the town of Flow).

01:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)Enda80

"In popular culture" section

I don't think we should remove all of them, the section just needs to be clean up since some of them come with acceptable citations, while some are clearly adaptions from Carmilla, such as The Vampire Lovers and some radio drama. --TX55^TALK 12:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blood and Roses (1960) by Roger Vadim, The Blood Splattered Bride (1972), and The Crypt of the Vampire (1964) starring Christopher Lee should all be included — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.179.167.106 (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a lesbian story but twelve mentions of it in the article

I've just finished reading the story, which was about 80 pages in small print, or around 160 pages if done in normal sized print, and I cannot find anything that suggests that it is a lesbian story or is alluding to lesbianism. The paragraph cited is about a vampire desiring a victim, like someone on a strict diet being hungry for a bar of chocolate they have in the otherwise empty fridge. There is little or nothing else in the story that might be construed to suggest lesbianism.

If you had not eaten for several days, and were sharing your home with an intelligent chicken that you were planning to secretly kill cook and eat, then you would be inclined to feel its plumpness etc and be fascinated by it, all of which would make the chicken feel uncomfortable.

You may equally well assert that Pride And Prejudice or Jane Eyre are lesbian novels, or that cowboy stories are homosexual. This article has been hijacked by a fringe viewpoint. There could be at most one mention of it possibly alluding to lesbianism, not twelve of them.

Although nowadays most people, especially in the west, are over-fed, when Carmilla was written in 1872 hunger would have been a much more common problem. Compare with the 1890 Hunger (Hamsun novel), which I have not read yet. 92.24.188.93 (talk) 15:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are very much incorrect on this. Carmilla has been explored, deeply, as a queer text. A brief search on JSTOR would have confirmed that for you. Your personal readings of novels don't mean much against a vast body of extant criticism. — ImaginesTigers (talk∙contribs) 14:52, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have done five searches on the Jstor link you gave and here are numbers of items found, biggest first: "Dickens lesbian" 2261, "Great Expectations lesbian" 562, "Raymond Chandler lesbian" 246, "Carmilla lesbian" 188, "Le Fanu lesbian" 138. I enclosed the author's names or the title in quotation marks where necessary. Dickens is according to these sixteen times more lesbian than Le Fanu. Raymond Chandler is 78% more lesbian. Great Expectations is nearly three times more lesbian than Carmilla. You are cherry picking. 92.24.180.18 (talk) 13:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of female-female kissing etc in Jane Eyre, but that book is not claimed to be lesbian. For example: "I got on to her crib and kissed her...she put her arm over me, and I nestled close to her.....She kissed me, and I her, and we both soon slumbered." And much more elsewhere in the book. The author originally used a man's name. Conventions were different long ago. 92.24.181.176 (talk) 12:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC).[reply]

A prime example of the Woozle effect, Echo chamber (media), and Three men make a tiger etc. 92.24.187.71 (talk) 12:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]