Talk:Antony Gormley

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Arts and Entertainment

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group (assessed as Mid-importance).

Visual arts

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts articles

Sculpture

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sculpture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Sculpture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SculptureWikipedia:WikiProject SculptureTemplate:WikiProject Sculpturesculpture articles

London Low‑importance

	London portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject London, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of London on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LondonWikipedia:WikiProject LondonTemplate:WikiProject LondonLondon-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

England Low‑importance

	England portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United Kingdom Low‑importance

	United Kingdom portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

Index

Archive 1

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by when more than 5 sections are present.

Wrong link in a reference

In the reference list: Reference 43: "Mothership with Standing Matter by Antony Gormley" etc.... The correct link should be as follows: https://www.skulpturstopp.no/lillehammer-en (Ingrid okei (talk) 13:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC))[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Antony Gormley pic.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 22:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place of Birth Error

Antony Gormley was not born in Dewsbury, North Yorkshire, as per the Wikipedia page. He was born in London. Source: The artists official website: https://antonygormley.com/biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggyre (talk • contribs) 14:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Major works

Is this major enough? Tuvalkin (talk) 01:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

I wonder if there should be a short, Personal life, section? Details of his relationship could go in - currently in the Early life section, but he was 30 when he married. It could also include his taking up German citizenship in response to Brexit, which I think warrants a mention, [1]. KJP1 (talk) 07:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A good idea. The Guardian says he "is to become a German citizen because of the "tragedy" of Brexit" and that "he should be receiving a German passport next month." Martinevans123 (talk) 07:52, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After an unfortunate edit-war, I think we’ve arrived at a version people are content with. My only remaining concern is the removal of the “Sir” prefix. While Delacroix-uk may well be right that it will be a consequence of Gormley’s taking up German citizenship, I’m not sure we should be removing it without a reliable source. KJP1 (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry KJP1 but I'm not at all content with the version that I have just edited further. The article seems to have been subjected to an inappropriately rapid sequence of edits as if this was urgent news, but we are always being told that Wikipedia is not news. So why the rush?

In particular I object to edits saying he IS German and, yes, the knighthood business also needs a cite and is currently very premature at best.

The Guardian article is good as far as it goes, but it only says he has applied. It does NOT say that he has got it, so it is ridiculous to behave as if he already has; in addition, it merely says that he is applying for a German passport, not, and this is important, that he is giving up his British citizenship. Maybe he is ... who knows? I don't know, do other editors? Where does it say this? Please show me exactly where. A reliable source presumably will tell us this one day but it has not yet. Since it is perfectly feasible to have both passports, maybe he will opt to do this. Nothing I have read says he's giving up the UK passport, so please let us not behave as if it does – why can we not please stick with the known, citeable facts and abandon both the breathless newsy approach and the inappropriate speculation. Please find a source. With best wishes to all, DBaK (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered - No problem at all, it was presumptuous of me to suggest that we were all content. I agree that there are a number of issues not resolved by the existing sources:

Has the German citizenship taken effect;
Is it, in fact, dual citizenship?
What are the implications for Gormley’s knighthood?

There are probably others. I think you are right that we should probably wait awhile, and see what other sources say. I’d appreciate other views. KJP1 (talk) 19:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, it certainly has not taken effect and his own expectation is that he'll get his new passport "within the next month". It looks to me very much like dual citizenship. But that is not yet clear. I suspect there will be no implications for Gormley’s knighthood at all, but we'll need to wait and see. I also think it's a good idea to add the reasons why he's done this in his own words. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that looks like a Yes on the dual citizenship – see for example this Independent story which says Antony Gormley ‘a proud British citizen’ despite German passport application ... The acclaimed British sculptor holds dual nationality due to his mother being German and so on. I think if we approach this patiently more will emerge and we may get the facts clear enough for a consensus. DBaK (talk) 11:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]