Talk:Montague Summers

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Question is the picture that is included in the best taste or in any way accurate as to the subject that it is supposedly representing? Haakonsson 17:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, while a caricature, it is contemporary with him, appeared in a major publication, and demonstrates his noteability in his own time. Summers was very eccentric. The cartoon is, all considered, rather kind. Caliban93 (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had been researching Summers in preparation for an article but found an unregistered user, 217.43.229.23 beat me to it. However, it looks as if he cut his biography from the web here. I've replaced nearly everything of 217.43.229.23's entry, leaving chiefly a quote from one of Summers's books. PedanticallySpeaking 18:58, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

I've done a bit of editing on the article. Some time ago (after reading Carl Sagan's last book) I became interested in the medieval witch-craze and looked up the Malleus Maleficarum in my university library. The only English translation was Summers's. I think others might have been as confused as I was then about who Summers was. He was not a Catholic priest, though he pretended to be one, and might perhaps have been secretly ordained by the Old Catholic Church (in which case ordinary Catholics would consider him validly but illegally ordained, and not authorized to conduct any church business). Summers, basically, was one of a number of rich, eccentric homosexual English writers who for various reasons became fascinated with Catholicism, the Middle Ages, and the occult at the turn of the century. (It seems to me he had much in common with Frederick Rolfe, though I don't know if they were acquainted. He certainly knew Aleister Crowley well.) His books are bizarre and of little scholarly value, though the ones on the occult stay in print because of their sensationalist appeal. --Eb.Hoop 23:02, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

Titles of Books

I'm grateful to User:Bishonen for italicizing book titles. He expaned a couple of the titles of books Summers edited to include the subject's first name in the title so it would read "The Complete Works of William Wycherly." In the source I copied the list from, the Xian names are missing on several of these and, not having checked the titles against, say, the Library of Congress catalog, I'm trusting my source. So that's why I left the link alone, but reverted the display to just a surname. PedanticallySpeaking 15:47, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

He also edited Boguet's "An Examen of Witches" in 1928.

Added ISBNs where possible. (That is, where reprints exist which are recent enough to have been assigned an ISBN). Tabor 18:51, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me that the use of links within the publication titles is incorrect, as the links have nothing to do with the publications themselves but rather with the meanings of individual words within the titles. Shouldn't links within publication titles be restricted to linking to wiki articles about the relevant publications, and not to wiki articles for random words within the titles? Is there a general rule for this sort of thing? Does anyone have an assenting or a dissenting opinion? Canonblack 22:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. It's not only incorrect it's illogical. E.g. would one would link Tolstoy's famous novel as War and Peace or War and Peace? If the latter is an absurd idea for the titles of the works of Tolstoy, it's equally absurd for the titles of the works of Montague Summers. Colin4C 18:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't Daemonolatreiae_libri_tres (Demonolatry) be mentioned somewhere in the article? ISBN: 0766136302 --Demonslave 16:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is "Architecture and the Gothic Novel, 1931" actually the title of a book by Summers? I can't find anything on WorldCat to suggest he ever published such a book. He did publish a four-page article with the same title that year in Architectural Design and Construction.^[1] Does anyone have any more information on this? St.JohnBosco (talk) 09:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that the original listing of this as a book comes from here. The author of that page says "His most well known works are in those fields. They include:" and gives mostly books, and this article. But it would have been easy for someone to interpret "works" as "books", which was not claimed. The extensive bibliography in "The Eighteenth-century British Novel and Its Background: An Annotated Bibliography and Guide to Topics" (Hahn & Behm, 1985) lists 3188 references, including Summers' article, with no mention of any such book. I'm pretty confident it exists only as that 4 page article. Darrah (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Botting, Fred. "In Gothic Darky: Heterotopia, History Culture." A New Companion to the Gothic. Ed. David Punter. Wiley, 2012. Google Books.

References for claims

Hello,

I've not seen any references to substantiate the following remarks. Do they exist or are these spurious claims?

"Summers was for a while part of the circle of the so-called 'Uranian poets,' who celebrated ancient Greco-Roman pederasty."

"Summers was a member of the Order of Chaeronea, a secret society for homosexuals founded in 1897 by George Ives, which was named after the location of the battle where the Sacred Band of Thebes was finally annihilated in 338 BC."

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Interpretarian (talk • contribs) 10:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I cut out all these references. Even for the dead, it's not right to portray them in a light they would consider negative without evidence. I question whether Wikipedia should ever say "Smith was a member of Such-and-such, a secret society" instead of "According to Jones, Smith was a member", unless the police raided their offices and published their member list.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a tactic of the occult to slander anyone who does work that exposes them. The occultists twist words and evidence and make claims that their enemies are seethingly homosexual or pedophilic to discredit them as charlatans speaking about their psychological issues in metaphore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.163.240 (talk) 06:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding two of the titles given under fiction

May I ask about two of titles listed under the fiction section on this wikipage – namely The Sins of the Fathers and Supernatural Tales. I am unable to find any of bibliographies that list Summers ever having written anything going by those names - may I ask from what reference material this was based (apologies if I have missed something, my referance books on Summers are not the most up to date) 84.92.130.80 (talk) 21:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Botting, Fred. "In Gothic Darky: Heterotopia, History Culture." A New Companion to the Gothic. Ed. David Punter. Wiley, 2012. Google Books.

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