Talk:Four Winds Field at Coveleski Stadium

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I live around South Bend, so I will try to get pictures of the Cove soon. If I'm lucky, I'll get a decent photo from the air, since I'm a frequent flier. --Tysto 06:44, 2005 May 18 (UTC)

No game on Saturday, but I got the front anyway. --Tysto 00:22, 2005 May 24 (UTC)

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The team was sold recently and also had a major renovation. If someone is free that'd be nice to put in the article. http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/South_Bend_Silver_Hawks_Sold_But_Staying_in_Town_134399308.html

Four Winds Field at Stanley Coveleski Stadium

This is mentioned (but not yet cited) in the article. Does this warrant an article name change? Mapsax (talk) 00:41, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. See the RM below, and I've also reverted a contribution which anticipated the move [1], by the same IP that added this sentence. But the proposed official renaming is verifiable as you point out, so that information should stay. Adding your reference for it to the article would be a good idea too. Andrewa (talk) 09:22, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I didn't know if this fell into the category of Sports Authority Field at Mile High, for instance (field receives a name, name of facility as a whole remains unchanged). I also knew that it was a premature mention but wanted to make everyone aware before the name change was adopted. Mapsax (talk) 03:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting... and it's not clear to me from that article or the one at Mile High Stadium what people would understand the term Mile High Stadium to mean currently. The name Sports Authority Field at Mile High seems to assume that there's still something there called Mile High, but what is it? Is it just the current stadium, or a larger complex? Does the lacrosse team have any facilities of their own that are part of Mile High but not part of Sports Authority Field?

And I note that the DAB at Mile High (disambiguation) still currently [2] points to the redirects at Invesco Field at Mile High and INVESCO Field at Mile High (RTD), reflecting the previous sponsorship and highlighting one of the merits of the current policy of not automatically adopting sponsored names. Andrewa (talk) 22:32, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a quick and dirty addition of the reference... fell free to tidy it up but it's better than nothing... and removed the citation needed tag. Andrewa (talk) 21:00, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move close

There has been some discussion of my (now reverted) move close [3] and also of the corresponding article content revert at User talk:Andrewa#Stanley Coveleski Regional Stadium RM. Input from other parties would be appreciated, either here or there. Andrewa (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 22:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Coveleski Regional Stadium → Four Winds Field at Stanley Coveleski Stadium – New naming rights pending approval --Relisted. -- tariqabjotu 15:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC) Mapsax (talk) 12:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Wait If it's pending approval, then wait until it's official. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Mapsax: Is it actually the name yet or not? If not, this will be declined without prejudice. -- tariqabjotu 03:29, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- See my comment in the above section that I placed while this discussion was closed. Mapsax (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No evidence or likelihood that this is currently a better name for the article according to policy, see also Wikipedia:Official names. It appears that the new name may not even be fully approved as of yet, and it has received no usage except on sponsored pages (see the discussion linked to below) and in (few) news items (presumably all based on press releases) where it is described as proposed. So this move proposal is at best premature. Andrewa (talk) 20:50, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

See User talk:Andrewa#Stanley Coveleski Regional Stadium RM for some discussion of this move, which I had closed. Note that I said there that I have no objection to the relisting, but suggested that move review was more likely to produce good results.

Particular issues:

The wisdom or otherwise of relisting. Relisting IMO is to seek further input on a proposal, but here it seems to be used instead to wait for the anticipated approval and/or wider adoption of the name.
Whether Wikipedia:Official names accurately reflects our current practice and consensus. Examples are given there of cases in which it may not.

Comments welcome either there or here. Andrewa (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Article scope

Is there a difference in scope between Stanley Coveleski Stadium and Four Winds Field?

The reason I ask is of course that, to an outsider, the names Four Winds Field at Stanley Coveleski Stadium and Stanley Coveleski Regional Stadium seem to cover related topics but with different scopes, the former more specific than the latter, and we need to decide which of these topics is to be the focus of the article. But if Four Winds Field is the whole of Stanley Coveleski Stadium rather than just part of a larger complex, then that isn't a consideration.

Local politics (and particularly those concerning naming rights negoatiations) do often lead to such confusing names. The article needs to make this clear, and that's probably far more important then the article title is. Andrewa (talk) 17:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Sports Authority Field at Mile High for a possibly parallel case.

It may be that, in the USA, such names are common and easily understood. But Wikipedia is for all English readers, and for me this is somewhat confusing. Andrewa (talk) 00:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now that baseball season is approaching, this article has been published. It may clarify your understanding...or muddle it. Mapsax (talk) 03:04, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]