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A fact from Japanese frigate Kaiyō Maru appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 November 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Kaiyō Maru, a Japanese steam warship, was the flagship of Admiral Enomoto Takeaki of the rebel Republic of Ezo in the Boshin War?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/November.

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From the pictures,

the Kaiyo Maru is ship-rigged (square sails on all three masts). Should it really be called a sailboat?

The armament with 18x160cm (!) cannon seems somewhat implausible. Maybe its 16cm? Or maybe some other misunderstanding? From the time the ship was built, 16cm is plausible, as would correspond to a 32 pounder (or, depending on measuring tolerances and unit translations, up to a 42 pounder). Other possible (for the time) cannon sizes would be 68 pounders. --Stephan Schulz 15:25, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, typo, the true figure is 16cm. Thanks PHG 14:10, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What is now visible at Esashi is only a replica created in 1990, but not the ship just whose parts were salvaged in late 70's and early 80's. Please could someone correct the article and title of the external link? Thank you. --210.237.246.83 15:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maiden voyage

I have done some research on the Dutch side of the story. It turns out that the Kaiyo Maru was built at the "Merwede" shipyard of C.Gips and Sons in Dordrecht, The Netherlands. The archives of the Nederlandsche Handel-Maatschappij, now part of the Dutch national archives, contain some interesting information on the transaction. In the digest that is accessible online [1] I found that the ship (then named Kai Yoo Mar) was sailed to Japan on its maiden voyage by captain J.A.E. Dinaux, a Dutch naval officer, seconded for this mission, and a mixed Dutch naval/merchant marine crew. The chief-engineer for the voyage was G.B. Hardes and the first mate P. Wittop Koning. There was a Japanese naval detachment aboard under the command of one "Oetida Tsnediroo" as it is rendered in the digest. However, this must have been Uchida Masao, who also supervised the building for the Japanese government (see Leiden Oriental Connections, 1850-1940, By W. Otterspeer, BRILL, 1989,ISBN 9004090223, p. 367[2]). Enemoto Takeaki appears to have been part of this detachment, but he did not command it. And he certainly did not command the ship on this voyage. But the writer of the article may know better. Hence my request for a citation.--Ereunetes (talk) 01:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the meantime I have found a source for the claim myself:-) Seiichi Iwao says on p. 325 of Biographical Dictionary of Japanese history about Enomoto: "When the ship, named the Kaiyo Maru, was completed, he sailed it to Japan, reaching home in 1867. In 1868 he was appointed vice-chief of the Navy,..." Other sources make clear that he just sailed in it. It would have been a tour de force for someone who had just been a naval student to command a ship on a voyage around the world, going around Cape Horn in Fall (as the "Kai Yoo Mar" called at Rio de Janeiro on January 21, 1867, according to a cable message by capt. Dinaux). Besides, there were only five Japanese officers in the mission to the Netherlands, and no crew, according to the source I quoted earlier.--Ereunetes (talk) 21:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Salvage cost

“Costs for the salvage totaled over 3 million yen by 1985.” seems to be ridiculously low. 3 mio Yen would have been 30000 US$ in 1980. Is suppose this should read correctly 3 billion (US) Yen or 3 Million US$. Unfortunately the link to the source is broken. Please verify. --Zenwort 07:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)