Talk:Charterhouse School

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You may want to consider upgrading this article to conform to Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools. Davodd 07:54, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)

Charterhouse moves to International Baccalaureate

In January 2009, Charterhouse made the decision to move from A-Level to the International Baccalaureate, along with the Pre-U course. Should this be added in? Grieferhate (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Spelling

Just a note - the school term is always spelt "Quarter" with an upper case "Q" (the school breaktime is called "quarter" with a lower case "q"). Grieferhate (talk) 07:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Houses: Old vs New

Duckites is here listed as an "old" house. surely incorrect. Duckites is a block house (i.e. in the main school block), but is not an old house: that is limited to S,V and G?

No its an Old House, mate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.210.231 (talk) 16:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Adminstratively it's classed as Old House, though it was built slightly later that S, V and G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.77.138 (talk) 19:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The “Old” houses are old not by reference to the buildings they are in, but because they pre-existed the move to Godalming: S, G and V. Houses subsequently founded by housemasters in Godalming are new. Hence the article is wrong - g is a new house.

Block houses are houses physically located in the main school block, as opposed to on Northbrook. Hence g is a block house (along with S, G and V)

Interestingly the proposed rebuilding of Saunderites in the Northbrook complex as a result of the shift to co-ed will mean that it ceases to be a block house, whilst remaining an old house (sand the senior house in the school, as the old headmaster’s house).

I will amend the article and footnote accordingly. James Harvey (talk) 12:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Largest War Memorial

Largest War Memorial? Surely All Souls, Oxford is a larger war memorial than Charterhouse chapel. Just a different war...

Response - it is the largest WWI memorial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.227.236.38 (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Uniform

IIRC, the Minor Sport's colours were a maroon tie with thin silver stripes. Has this changed? Jokl 02:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourmotherisagoose (talk • contribs) 16:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Sheep

Not the kind of thing that should go into the article (mostly due to lack of verification) but at a number of other independent schools during the 90s Charterhouse was known as "Chaaaaaaaarterhouse", with a long-drawn-out sheeplike noise in the middle. This was due to a supposed incident in which several boys had been found engaging in some kind of sexual act with a sheep in a bedroom or dorm at Weekites House. I've no idea if the story is true, but it was certainly widespread. PeteVerdon 13:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Again, not true. The story goes some guy thought it would be funny to catch a sheep and put it in some guy in Weekites room while he was away for the weekend. Just a practical joke. Allbeit a little odd... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.172.143.205 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Please sign

--Alexandre8 (talk) 16:31, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

This is true. The Weekites house members where able to keep the sheep in the boarding house for a number of days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.227.236.38 (talk) 11:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The Grounds of Charterhouse

Removed this section due to NPOV and fact it adds nothing to the article.

It read in full "The grounds at Charterhouse really are beautful and this is all thanks to the truly dedicated team of groundsmen and women who maintain the beauty of the school."[[User:Disneyfreak96|StareGirl]

How can you say that this section does not add any value to the article. Us Groundsmen and woman work really hard to keep the school looking at its best! This little bit of recognition to our ongoing efforts goes a long way in saying thanks. By removing it - smacks of a slap in the face!!! user:siphoxolo

Wikipedia doesn't exist to make you feel good about the job you do, though. 82.22.219.217 (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Charterhouse terms

Is it true that the vocabulary of Charterhouse is called "notions", like that of Winchester, or is that a misunderstanding? Can some Carthusian enlighten me? --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) 16:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I am a present carthusian now going in the upper sixth, most of the words shown we use, but some are extinct. We do not call it "notions," its just our school slang, nothing really special.

Stop putting in Controversy

Do you realise how offensive it is for Carthusians to have the Controversy put down?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! Stop putting in Controversy, please, as I am a current Carthusian and find this very offensive! Very little of it is true!

I agree this section is a JOKE. Other public schools such as Eton and Harrow don't have a controversy sections, so why should Charterhouse? This website goes on and on about it being an encyclopaedia and that only FACTS should be put in. Why then, if this is the case, is there a section entitled controversy? Surely, this goes against everything Wikipedia goes on and on about? It was a big mistake having a 'Controversy' section, an embarrassing one.

Eton - eight subsections on controversy. Harrow - the cartel is mentioned but not under a heading 'controversy'. If the controversies can be backed up by reference to reliable external sources, then of course they should be there. 'I am embarrassed' and 'I am offended' do nothing to negate this view. 31.52.252.180 (talk) 14:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

It is actually meant as a more tempered heading than "Negative Press" or "Mistakes", having reviewed this article among a local list, such euphemisms are not uncommon across the slate of all articles. If anyone would like to propose below a more subtle heading than "Mistakes" (I am generally as subtle and euphemistic as a sledgehammer) go ahead. I see scandals comes up in headings below — Sheridan would be proud.- Adam37 Talk 09:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Where has the article gone?!?!?!?!?!?!?????

Why has such a large section of the article been deleted? I am shocked at how much has gone. Bring it back! Bring it back! Bring it back!

Now fixed, though I've removed the glossary on the basis it could be considered to be listcruft. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 15:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I still find the glossary important, as things like that make up the culture of people who go to public schools. These sayings are key parts of public school, they are not minor and listcruft. For these reasons I believe that the glossary should be reinstated.--Jammydodger 15:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

There are many problems with a glossary. First, it was completely unreferenced, failing the fundamental Wikipedia policy. Second and partly related, it's a magnet for made-up abusive crap such as SELF RINSAGE. Third, it contains items which are not sayings or jargon at all and/or can be looked up in a simple common dictionary, for example SUTTON'S HOSPITAL, STUDENT COUNCIL, HEADMASTER'S ESSAY SOCIETY, CHAPEL, LONDON CHARTERHOUSE, EXEAT, CHETWYND. Other terms such as JDTC and BTT are of no interest to anyone at all. There are some interesting relevant facts within what was the glossary, but this should not be a tedious and ever-expanding laundry list, it should be turned to prose and properly referenced, which in turn would indicate that the world of knowledge does not consider these facts to be minor small-world trivia, thus befitting an encyclopaedia not the Urban Dictionary. Unreferenced stuff should be junked as it is obviously of no interest to any publisher. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, for the benefit of non-OCs, someone could explain what 'Hashes' is (or are) -- Markcymru (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

BRING BACK THE GLOSSARY

Please bring back the Glossary, it was so funny and extremley accurate, at least bring back the Glossary on the official website

Fees

Charterhouse is Britain's most expensive public school. Consult Tatler's school guide under boarding fees and stop changing it to 'second' to satisfy your financial insecurities.

Many thanks

• Is this even true? On their website fees are £25,152 per annum. See http://www.charterhouse.org.uk/Admissions/fees.asp

• If you are an old Carthusisan, at least check your spelling.

Am a current Carthusian. Fees are now at a figure of around £47,640. Would someone please edit, as current figure if fairly inaccurate.

YAY

Charterhouse rocks!

Deo dante dedi

I'm puzzled by the translation of the school motto. Dante looks to me like the ablative singular of the present participle of do, so it goes with Deo, With God giving, and dedi is the first person singular of the perfect tense of do, I gave. So why not "God giving, I gave" ? Xn4 17:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there any objection to the translation being corrected, as above? Xn4 02:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

No particular objection, but we were always taught that it means God having given, I give. That makes more sense too.

That would clearly be a more convenient meaning, encouraging Old Carthusians to give in the present and the future, but it isn't what the motto says! Xn4 14:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Any relation to "Charterhouse Rules"?

As in, rules for a forum in which the participants may not be quoted (in order to encourage free discussion).

See http://www.newciv.org/cob/members/benking/voicetxt.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.135.231.49 (talk) 05:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

No, you're thinking of the Chatham House Rule. 155.198.16.109 (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool - Charterhouse Rules OK!

Phrasing broken

The end of the first sentence, "...also referred to a public school situated at Godalming in Surrey" doesn't quite make sense. I'd fix it but it is unclear what it actually means, so can someone who knows do so? Huw Powell (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

50-Mile Walk

Not sure the story that the SEALs challenged the school in the 1950s is all that correct. While the US Navy had SEAL-like organizations since WWII such as the UDTs, the SEALs did not become a formal organization - with that name - until 1961/62. 80.4.81.4 (talk) 00:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)US Army Officer80.4.81.4 (talk) 00:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC) US Naval History website

The 50 mile walk began after I believe Winston Churchill said that "even our school children can walk 50 miles in a day". The school took it upon themselves to prove him right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.227.236.38 (talk) 11:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Robert Graves

The school plays a prominent role in Goodbye to All That, a book which was kind of famous ca. 1930. Graves was extremely unhappy there, because he found that the school had a culture which encouraged pervasive petty bullying and anti-intellectualism, and very little was valued other than success at team sports. AnonMoos (talk) 15:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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Scandals

There have been a number of scandals at Charterhouse School. Drugs were mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.26.92 (talk) 10:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Anything but associated with this school nor a liberal, I have to say thank you for that but in its lack of detail/citation/noteworthiness/time period it does offend the Talk page header which gives links to wikipedia's policies. WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:N all come to mind.- Adam37 Talk 09:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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Private School

I would suggest that Charterhouse School be described as a private school. The description independent is vague and unclear. Wikipedia is global and most readers recognise organisations as being either public sector or private sector. 'Independent school' is an Anglocentric term and is just not a recognised term in most countries. It only serves to open up questions; independent from whom? Independen from what?

The British English word for such schools is 'public'! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.252.180 (talk) 14:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Over the last ten years most UK public sector secondary schools have converted to academies and are therefore independent. They're independent of central government and Local Education Authority control. This development has made it all the more confusing to describe private schools as independent. If you take private healthcare; go to the BUPA article and in the opening paragraph it is described as a private hospital. If private schools have private school in the opening paragraph the link takes the reader to an article that makes explicitly clear:

Private schools, also known as independent schools, non-governmental, or nonstate schools,[1] are not administered by local, state or national governments; thus, they retain the right to select their students and are funded in whole or in part by charging their students tuition, rather than relying on mandatory taxation through public (government) funding; at some private schools students may be able to get a scholarship, which makes the cost cheaper, depending on a talent the student may have (e.g. sport scholarship, art scholarship, academic scholarship), financial need, or tax credit scholarships that might be available.

That is clear, unambiguous and uneqivocal. (Garageland66 (talk) 01:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)).

Infobox

The infoboxes for the seven historic English public schools are, at present, inconsistent. Five have the School Type listed as ‘Independent’, one has it as ‘Private’ and only one has it as ‘Public’. Can I propose that, for the sake of consistency, they all have ‘Public School’ in the infobox. They are defined as such by the 1868 Public Schools Act. Is there a consensus on this? Garageland66 (talk) 11:30, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

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Directorship?

"Pleming would step down from his position as Headmaster in January, less than three years into his directorship"--is the headmaster really a director? What of? 31.52.252.180 (talk) 14:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Not in the Companies Act sense but in direction yes; the word directorship is the individualised form of direction and although connotes legal Director in that very narrow sense due to the proliferation of companies it is not just reserved for company directors. It also appears the right level of dilution. If direction is written that connotes a narrow dictatorship or very individualised vision and if one says trusteeship that is too loose, the other trustees delegate many day-to-day executive functions to the head, who in turn delegates specialised roles and tasks as is seen fit. The distinction is so subtle it is not really my forte.- Adam37 Talk 09:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Who was the Prime Minister?

Quite early on, this article says that Charterhouse School has educated one British Prime Minister. It would be helpful if the article said who this Prime Minister was. Vorbee (talk) 17:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Vorbee - Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool. Absolutely agree the article should be explicit. KJP1 (talk) 21:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Removel of unsourced

A very large portion of this article is either unsourced or sourced to primary sources. The entire house section for example has been marked as such since 2016, Memorial Chapel, Uniform, Events, Monitors, and House Apostles are entirely unsourced or primary sources. Most of the history section is primary sources or unsourced. Poorly sourced sections include Sports, Origins of football (which is quite the claim to be unsourced). Other sections are just plane not encyclopedic such as the Carthusian Language, Fees is more for the organizations website. There is an argument about it being very expensive as but those are all primary sources. The intro paragraph makes a claim that "It educated the British Prime Minister Lord Liverpool and has a long list of notable alumni, sounds promotional to me. Look who was educated here (in the first section) We have the list of notable alumni, and who is to say it is long? VViking_TalkEdits 22:43, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry mate about overloading you personal page with replies. Not my intention to cause annoyance, to war over a page or to convey any 'ownership' over a particular article. I am simply trying to convey my views on this and why I believe the information in the article to be important. I can confirm, by the way, that the Origins of Football section is completely accurate. The school archives will have evidence, most likely scanned and digitised, to act as sources for the currently unsourced claims. I will endeavour to find all that I can and add references where appropriate.

I believe the list of alumni is not promotional content, but heritage. Harvard University's wiki page has a 'notable alumni' section. Would you like me to remove that as well? Hundis09 (talk) 23:18, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

List of Alumni is totally good, but it was the placement right at the start of the article that I had issues with. I re-read the information on the origins of football, and while the first portion is not well sourced the rest looked good. I would be good with putting that part back in. Also my apologies on the ownership part. I went overboard on that, you are within your rights to disagree and you are new. Thank you for being as civil as you are.--VViking_TalkEdits 23:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

No worries mate. Retrospectively, I probably should not have hit undo on your changes as many times as I did. Heat of the moment, you know? I agree that the placement of the alumni section should not be at the start. Hundis09 (talk) 23:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Broken source

I used a current link, but the source shows up as a template. I don’t know how to fix it since it doesn’t show up in the edit page. It’s citation number 4.

Thanks. Bigbrain132 (talk) 21:00, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I fixed it, apologies for making a dumb post. I guess it’s best I learn to not make mistakes on less active pages. Bigbrain132 (talk) 21:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Uniform section

The uniform section is largely outdated and not common among other school articles. I think it would be best for anything that can be included in other sections (like sports) to be moved there, or deleted. Alternatively, a ‘school life’ section could be added with a small (much smaller than now) description of uniforms. Cowinatree (talk) 15:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Old house vs new house

Old houses are ONLY house created before 1872. Despite the fact that Duckites (girdlestoneites) is in old school (and Sutton as well) does not mean they are old houses. The new houses used to be next to duckites, so going by that logic all houses would be old houses. Cowinatree (talk) 15:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)